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gabriel_laddel: adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it?
decimation: ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden
decimation: BingoBoingo: one thing snowden is his brazen equivocation between domestic and foreign espionage
mircea_popescu: which will make large banking concerns impossible, but perhaps to no detriment.
adlai: you people seen tlsnotary yet?
mircea_popescu: the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation. ☝︎
asciilifeform: adlai: lol, i do also, but the other folks here ?!
decimation: asciilifeform: regex does seem to be a kind of 'hair shirt' that is proudly worn by modern programmers
adlai: gabriel_laddel: i'm reading, thank you. asciilifeform dunno, i recognize many sections by number
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But on what? (easier to answer for what I am drunk on than the others)
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me you're all very drunk.
BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was.
asciilifeform: adlai: 3.1.2.1.2.3 is clearer than f_set_ma ?!?! on what planet, wtf
gabriel_laddel: adlai: apparently the text editor rocks
gabriel_laddel: adlai: I was linking you to it b/c you asked why one might want a lispm
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world.
adlai: well yes, but shorter and clearer what you're sinking to, cf http://l1sp.org/cl/3.1.2.1.2.3
asciilifeform: adlai: it seems to link right back to lispworkd
adlai: asciilifeform: who the fuck needs lispworks when you have http://l1sp.org/search?q=s-m-c
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole.
mircea_popescu: but ibm did succeed, making computers = their micros.
mircea_popescu: ultimately also failed. it's a hard fcking thing.
mircea_popescu: apple came a lot closer to making phones = iphone
asciilifeform: adlai: who the fuck needs regex when you have set-macro-character ( http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm ) and brain
mircea_popescu: they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040238 << it's never the case that you can find one of these "things that be" (as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2015#1038150 ) that doesn't have a mole ready to go wherever. ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Haven't got response to it yet, lack time for my Micheal J Fox hands. adlai Even bitcoin-qt threads beautifully here
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes.
asciilifeform: in fact, it requires program to behave in exactly the same way on any platform, if using only what is contained in the standard
asciilifeform: if asking about ada, the standard requires platform-independent 100% usable threading
asciilifeform: adlai: sbcl, iirc, threads everywhere at this point
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tried the one built into gcc yet?
adlai: does it thread?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:16:52; asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040220 << beria is the better comparison point. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral
asciilifeform: because we don't have this.
asciilifeform: i listen to fucking fans all day long
BingoBoingo: adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python...
asciilifeform: we -still!!!!- don't have this with x86 pc!
asciilifeform: a multiaxial shielded cable was included for this purpose
asciilifeform: for instance, the console was really a powerful computer in its own right (contained video rendered and sound card) and could be separated from the (very loud!) machine by, iirc, 200 metres!
asciilifeform: lispm gives an interesting feeling straight away - of computer that cost what a business airplane cost, and intended to maximize the thinking power of an economically-important thinking person
adlai: regex authorship is a treacherous knowledge
adlai: no, you'd have two problems
BingoBoingo: adlai: If I had knowledge to author regex, I'd have a refutation...
asciilifeform: there was another, later white kbd, which i have, with entirely different internals - but protocol-compatible with the old scanned-matrix one pictured here
adlai: BingoBoingo: "why did the dinosaur cross the road? because the chicken hadn't yet evolved"
assbot: Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2bIF )
adlai: or the symbolics keyboard with the emulator?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:11:52; Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040212 << iirc this exists, since about 2011. davout's thing. ☝︎
adlai: you used a regular keyboard with the lispm?
asciilifeform: don't much care today
asciilifeform: (not available commercially. i reversed the keyboard, then some german fella made adapter)
asciilifeform: adlai: though if you want a '100% authentic' experience with the emulator, you'll need a symbolics keyboard and an adapter
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040208 << it's only like the... 5th or so to falsely claim firstness on that score. ☝︎
asciilifeform: adlai: for just about everything else, the emulator
asciilifeform: adlai: for satisfying curiosity about what it actually felt like in the period
BingoBoingo: One of these days, would love to use as main online computter http://webspace.webring.com/people/a7/717171/Blacky.html
adlai: asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 01:03:49; pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040184 << obviously, their ada wasn't tested. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: lcd trip?
asciilifeform: i suppose that was only on real computer
decimation: it swore that it didn't
asciilifeform: decimation: comes with one, typically
adlai: lcd trip = lsd + advertisements?
decimation: macports has a 'port' of gcc-gnat , but it requires an existing ada compiler to build
mircea_popescu: wtf is it, someone's lcd trip ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I spent a few days trying to get ada working on osx 10.9, gave up
mircea_popescu: dude that shadbase.com thing...
asciilifeform: does -anybody- test this crap ?
asciilifeform: as in, every single one of the executables.
asciilifeform: speaking of the ada foundation, i randomly tested their mac port ( http://mirrors.cdn.adacore.com/art/ee55f5eb79cb118552c03fc83fa2d5c1580f5353 ) and it only segfaults.
BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack.
assbot: Toyota Case: Single Bit Flip That Killed | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GibvJH )
decimation: asciilifeform: re: software that kills < http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319903 < the toyota thing was discussed here in the past
adlai: "had"? i thought there was at least one working lispm in the republic!
mircea_popescu: "Samba is a suite of SMB and CIFS client/server programs." szus nothing to me
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem
adlai: iirc that's before 0.5.3
asciilifeform: ^ don't keep windblows box in the house. then no need for 'samba' and the associated idiocies
asciilifeform: ^ you don't have to use winblows to be pwned using winblows pwnhole
BingoBoingo is working on the pressing problem of testing other possible bitcoind/qts atm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you insist on the ada foundation's bleeding edge thing - that's another matter that i can't help with
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go"
asciilifeform: which ought to work on others
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a set of ports for 'dragonfly bsd'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC
asciilifeform: i don't give a flying fuck either way about the hipsters
asciilifeform: in much the same way that mpex is the only game in town in its field