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PeterL: bleh, maybe I just have no idea what I am talking about
PeterL: well, once you get a good system, then make it change slowly
kakobrekla: so if its not good why want to change it slowly
PeterL: right, I am not saying the current system is good
kakobrekla: so thats a no
PeterL: big changes get put in the news, usually
kakobrekla: do you keep track of it now?
PeterL: ascii_field: there is something to be said for making it hard to change laws, if changing the law is too easy then nobody will be able to keep track of it
jurov: and some such idea can be discerned in Roman Republic, too
ascii_field: but the (very modern!) notion that the state would or could tie its own hands - lunacy.
ascii_field: so you (crown) don't have to personally sit and review every idiot land dispute, stray ox, etc
ascii_field: the only thing statal (vs tribal) law ever was, is a '3 ring binder' affair to simplify peasant-herding
adlai: "fight fire with fire" breaks down when The Law is above itself
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1wpUaeG )
ascii_field: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/secede-republic-claims-texas-never-joined-us.html << idiots who still imagine that a legalistic pill against usg exists. as described in mircea_popescu's 'sovereign citizens' article.
kakobrekla: i always sucked at that.
kakobrekla: bb css is not up to par.
ascii_field: down in the sewer
ascii_field: not that it 'needs' to be in there
kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. ☟︎
adlai: thestringpuller: you're missing the best part of the talk: "A tenth of a Bitcoin for anyone who takes the livestream and puts a pope hat on me during the stream. That would be awesome." http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
assbot: Multiple Teams Creating Bitcoin-based Prediction Markets | Inside Bitcoins | Bitcoin news | Price | Bitcoin Conferences ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIwzT )
ascii_field: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/multiple-teams-creating-bitcoin-based-prediction-markets/30429 << notice what site is missing from this article ☟︎
ascii_field: take something that works but doesn't 'democratize' enough, or can be spun as such, and replace it with sham 'equivalent'
ascii_field: this is their most beloved gambit
ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable ☟︎
thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which wi ☟︎
kakobrekla: i heard the 100 dorra device you plug into it can indeed charge at same time as you use usb or whatever it is
thestringpuller: ascii_field and danielpbarron: generals of the pogo army
thestringpuller: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/gavin-andresen-optimistic-about-scaling-bitcoin/30652 << Gavin is throwin out dates for axe and sword time
ascii_field: literally. there is exactly one jack
ascii_field: in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time!
ascii_field throws up a little just writing this
ascii_field: 'let's do this thing except we'll do it without actually doing it because actually doing it is omghardm4thish4rd and weloveruby'
adlai: the catcher in the _field
ascii_field: 'subspace' >> 'Unfortunately, downloading all messages scales very poorly. In Subspace, we use a filtering technique that allows us to mix our messages with a user-defined subset of the total message space, reducing your bandwidth consumption while preserving your privacy.' >> shitgnomism
thestringpuller: ascii_field is with us live from the streets
adlai hasn't, beyond knowing that they claim to not require everybody to store everything (which bitmessage requires)
HeySteve: hey. anyone gone through this yet? https://medium.com/@chrispacia/subspace-73059a1cff71
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PeterL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plumgeek/ringo-the-palm-size-robot-with-real-personality?ref=video this looks fun
jurov: http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer?ModPagespeed=noscript asciilifeform, good addition to cardano, i guess :D
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PeterL: asciilifeform:but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. << When writing such an integral, I use words in my head as I put down the symbols (eg. integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 integral from 4r^2 to 4 of xdxrdrd(theta) )
asciilifeform: incidentally, my explanation at 14:39:46 is a bit broken but i'll leave it as exercise for the reader.
asciilifeform: not sure what the word for it is
asciilifeform: and there's something palpably poisonous about that page
asciilifeform wrote a flame many years ago and the 'butthurt' over it never seems to abate
asciilifeform: '...we should start with cleaner hardware, then write a cleaner replacement for the JVM (same cross-platform capabilities!?, same performance optimisations!?), as well as all its libraries... we'd be busy at least for another decade and required backing from several large companies.'
asciilifeform: or hmm, maybe that wasn't it
asciilifeform: (that, afaik, is the limit of what anyone with actual funding has dared)
asciilifeform: but one can put together a few mil. of these, without any apparent daemonic possession of the machine, is what we experimentally have so far.
asciilifeform: rather than physical effect of individual gate
asciilifeform: if never metastable, then no
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there;s a limit of how many you can plop together before you end up in some novel hell
asciilifeform: and was in fact the missing ingredient
asciilifeform: but i seem to be the only one who (publicly) realized that it is the very thing for building dataflow comp.
asciilifeform: but at any rate they do not end up wedged in practice (folks with $maxint have built otherwise conventional cpu without clock using c-gate, they don't wedge)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure if this is rigorously proven, but approximately yes
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this IS a pretty beautiful thing huh ?
asciilifeform: wanted to see something physzed ?
mircea_popescu: and this is why i became a theoretical physicist
asciilifeform: my concern because life is short and i want to compute with c-gates.
asciilifeform: not necessarily impossible - but who's to say when.
asciilifeform: but if didn't show, only explained why, the thing would have to be re-invented to be built
mircea_popescu: seeing how i'm not an electrical engineer, i'm prone to misinterpret. the boon of ignorance.
mircea_popescu: i'll note you'd have had a much more reliable response had you described rather than shown :)!!!
mircea_popescu has been spending some time looking at this circuitry, understands why it backfeeds now.
asciilifeform: because an ordinary logic gate can enter a 'metastable' wedge-state if it is given a 'pathological' input transition (i.e. you try to use the output before the inputs are stable)
asciilifeform: they have to wait for inputs to 'settle'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the function of the 'extra' gates does not become clear unless you understand why extant cpus (which do not use muller's c-gate) need 'clocks' at all
adlai is trying to actually understand what loper-os links to...
asciilifeform: (even though it is used virtually nowhere...)
asciilifeform: i regard c-gate as among the greatest inventions in 20th c. electronics
asciilifeform suggests actually understanding what adlai linked to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the c-gate !?!
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it translates to text quite perfectly well, and plainly : "if and only if". but this is familiar to people trained in humanities more than in cs i guess.
adlai would've had to use trial-and-error to figure out which gate was represented, if the filename hadn't specified it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reasons whereby ruby sucks have nothing to do with the representation
mircea_popescu: not unlike ruby programmer imagining "o wow, so much better than asm".
adlai: the only text which i needed was the filename
mircea_popescu: so now it's symbolized and you look at it and you figure hey, it's so much better than text
adlai: on the contrary
mircea_popescu: the only reason that picture is even meaningful to you is because you long ago digested its text
adlai: eh, you can describe this picture in less than 1000
asciilifeform: know the saying 'picture is worth 1000 words' ? it isn't a joke
asciilifeform: adlai: a good chunk of the total world of engineering fits in this category
asciilifeform: where are the moles?
adlai: here's something that doesn't translate well to text: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/C-element-from-NANDs.svg
asciilifeform: lol re: usg spending $maxint to extract apple symmetric key from cpu
adlai: antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists
assbot: Strawhorse: Attacking the MacOS and iOS Software Development Kit - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR1kis )
asciilifeform: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2015/03/10/strawhorse-attacking-macos-ios-software-development-kit << at least they cite thompson.
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adlai: !s trusting trust
asciilifeform: compiler-infection is as old as time.
nubbins`: dat toolchain o.O