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asciilifeform: probably looking rather scorched, as they'll have to desolder the shield frame
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re "standardization without permission" << it looks like bastardization. who the fuck says, "Security should not be the defining feature of a service". Does this roughly translate to: "CSS everywhere."
asciilifeform: one day these might come back sorta-working
asciilifeform: described to them simple test of board. and they promised to try..
asciilifeform had interesting email exchange with macrofab, where they showed photograph of their bobbin - labeled 'panasonic' - said they tested 50 random units;
danielpbarron: mind tweeeting that link << done
mircea_popescu: clearly, google thinks you're narcissistic :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's come to the point where i 'google xxxx' and get... own self having spoken of xxxx five minutes prior
thestringpuller: "The CCSS is an open standard, born out of the belief that security should not be the defining feature of your service." << Why?!?!?
mircea_popescu: when they're done doing that they can probably get back to riding their wooden horses or w/e nine year olds do when not monkeying the adults.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this isn't "permissionless innovation", this is "standardization without permission".
thestringpuller: from: http://blog.cryptoconsortium.org/contributing-to-the-ccss/ "There are many ways in which you can help contribute to the CryptoCurrency Security Standard. While security experts have an obvious avenue for contributing, the standard also needs help from graphic designers, language translators, and proofreaders too, just to name a few." this is what permissionless innovation looks like in da infancy
assbot: So, I’m going to prison. http://t.co/yFWlxcj4JP /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, danielpbarron or someone, mind tweeeting that link in response to say https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/576158948950171648
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNwO6k )
mircea_popescu: if you allow "server farms" you also allow the government the power toi know which necks to squeeze, which in practice readily devolves to shrem begging for ten bucks because http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
mircea_popescu: incidentally, "bbs where every user runs his own nntp server" is a) a better implementation of irc, which is a better implementation of bbs, which is dead tech and b) exactly where gossipd is going.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda incredible to me that the entire intellectual production of the usg crowd is limited to merely rehashing points debunked within a week or two of the "controversy".
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yxsdd/satoshi_on_scaling_the_current_system_where_every/ << lets see how this turns out (bookmarks under "popcorn required")
mircea_popescu: hahaha it was just pointed out to me that if you google for pretty much anything to do with btc b-a is probably in the results, and if you click over to images there's definitely some b-a ladies in there.
ben_vulpes: what is the /context/ for that, man?
mircea_popescu: but here's a graduating hs class to bridge us over. http://41.media.tumblr.com/892db9f0182fd2b0fc69986349321c7c/tumblr_n7gasyXpPM1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu doesn't think this objection holds much water.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, isn't that HOW you measure resistence in the first place ?
asciilifeform: or i suppose not a plain wheatstone bridge, but one connected to something yet else
mircea_popescu takes advantage of b-a to refresh his electronics knowledge :D
asciilifeform: for example of a trivial case where they cannot:
mircea_popescu: is there some way to connect a resistor in an unpowered, unshorted circuit so that i can't measure it without unmounting it ?
asciilifeform: that one was measurable in-circuit due to the way it was connected.
asciilifeform: and hell knows what else for the parts that could not be measured
mircea_popescu: now that'd be measured in circuit
asciilifeform: i was able to do it for r6 and r16 in own box because knew how it was arranged
asciilifeform: because you cannot force the current of measurement to flow -only- through the resistor
mircea_popescu: resistors tho ?
mircea_popescu: do they even have to be removed ?
asciilifeform: if anyone owns a pair of 'hot tweezer' (soldering iron for removing smd parts) - go ahead
mircea_popescu: can be done easy enough and undestructively, just turn the machine off and pop its cover
mircea_popescu: well, one way to find out, of course, would be to get some new laptops/handhelds and measure their resistors.
asciilifeform: (these would turn up in all 3)
asciilifeform: incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects
mircea_popescu: there's a definite age gap. kids born pre 1990 are more different from kids born after than slave owners from slaves in the deep south cca 1790
asciilifeform: the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example
mircea_popescu: maybe out of old stuff they have in garage ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ham radio folks use older gear maybe ?
mircea_popescu: 0 actually engage in hunting for bugs like this.
mircea_popescu: out of the millions of redditards generously employed to do tech support, millions are in "tech support stories" talking about how idiot customers are
asciilifeform: what of all the ham radio folks
asciilifeform: telling me that no one anywhere built an analogue whateverthefuck?
asciilifeform: and how on earth would it stay undiscovered until this
asciilifeform: because this is just Sad
asciilifeform: or that i'm on to something that isn't this
mircea_popescu: may account for all those cases of the zombie device.
asciilifeform: i very much hope that i'm not
mircea_popescu: you may be on to something there.
asciilifeform: for digital circuit, the consequences are not immediately apparent
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values
asciilifeform: they promised to measure their stock of R's, but so far heard nothing
asciilifeform: in other news, i shipped the junk back to macrofab
danielpbarron: one is half-way to being synced with the network
asciilifeform: if going to eat the meat regardless of from what animal - may as well run bitcoin on the stock linux that comes with that thing
danielpbarron: technically i have two of them "running" -- albeit with very nasty "through the mud" shortcuts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that's where it's at, danielpbarron has a point. gotta get it running, somehow.
davout: asciilifeform: what was that?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im jus' trying to get where we're at.
mircea_popescu: so then it's more like, "can't get an os for pogo, we like to believe it can be done nevertheless" ?
asciilifeform: if i mentioned something here that wasn't included - please wake me up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i think i made the handful of useful things i've discovered on the subject public on the listserv
mircea_popescu: so the breakdown is that you know how and he doesn't an' you're not telling him ?
asciilifeform: two leads: 1) port whatever's in netbsd to openbsd to get it going on pogo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the situation here, can't get an os for pogo ?
asciilifeform: ('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand)
asciilifeform: but that was originally how i ended up trying netbsd
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i spent quite a bit of time simply trying to get a vanilla linux kernel made with 'buildroot' (built for this very purpose - routers) to boot on pogo.
assbot: Gentoo Linux Documentation-- Gentoo on the Marvell SheevaPlug ... ( http://bit.ly/1EbvhRw )
danielpbarron: i am trying to come up with solutions that I myself might be capable of achieving; I'm not aware of anyone else who is working on this thing
asciilifeform: and yes, systemd is coming to debian
asciilifeform: at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap << do you have a fully-source-based cross-compilator build of debian? if not, it's worthless.
asciilifeform: the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain << NO. must be able to insert brand new drive in brand new unit and have it format. or replacement drive.
kakobrekla: <danielpbarron> (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. < im sure you are familiar with 'pgpi scanning project'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The signify thing depends on libsodium for however good it is along with probably other things
danielpbarron: everything i learn about openbsd makes me like it more than before
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They use that for code/binaries, because GPG is GPL and in their distribution it is license unacceptable by their standards
danielpbarron: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man1/signify.1 << apparently openbsd has its own tool for creating and verifying signatures
ben_vulpes: but the planet's not choking under human smog or anything
ben_vulpes: this is the most unbelievably gorgeous spring i've ever seen here
danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.) ☟︎
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davout: yea, what i understood too, coming nonetheless
danielpbarron: from what i can tell, it isn't there yet
davout: danielpbarron: "at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap" <<< i was under the impression it was coming to debian too
thestringpuller: cazalla: ah so that's where TaT went to.
danielpbarron: the blue model is perfect for this purpose, just add SD card of any size
nubbins`: cazalla:worse, TaT masquerades as bitcoinassets on it and is a mod to boot <<< ...
nubbins`: gabriel_laddel:Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? <<< ... ☟︎
danielpbarron: at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap
danielpbarron: when that static build of bitcoind is ready, i'll try to compile it for pogo and see if it runs on debian
danielpbarron: even using the sd card for os << not necessary; the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i started work on a driver but there's no time. << I'm pretty much in the same boat but it kinda sounds fun to write. I hate pdf's but I found this that sort of defines what I think the issue is here. Can you confirm ascii? http://chewiefs.sed.hu/sites/chewiefs.sed.hu/files/NetBSD_Flash_subsystem_final_nopagenum.pdf