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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty, will keep the hoses in until you give the withdrawal order.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to keep kvm hoses in until further notice.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages.
BingoBoingo: From habitation module, not the rack
BingoBoingo: I'm seeing sub 20ms pings to every box I've tried so far except UY1. UY1 is returned sub 40 ms pings
mod6: I don't doubt. That seems off for sure.
asciilifeform: well, moar moon than mars. but still.
mod6: pings to 161.0.121.247 from me are: round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.551/195.055/198.219/0.723 ms - 0 packets lost.
asciilifeform: the debug session has distinct 'mars lander' feel to it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al : also i am getting multi-second ping latencies to pizarro (all boxen)
asciilifeform: after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place. ☟︎
asciilifeform: will announce the reboot hour in advance.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to rebuild kernel on UY1 today.
diana_coman: just not the git
asciilifeform: update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages.
diana_coman: funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz; it was just the uy1 down thing
asciilifeform: inspection of logs on disk turned up nuffin enlightening.
mircea_popescu: and bad ssd is unlikely to hit ~specifically one~ of multiple instances, as well as it's unlikely to occur while drive has free spare sectors to map to, and besides it'd be a first. drive's fine what.
mod6: Oh, ok. Hmm. Well, thanks for reporting. We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird.
mod6: My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet. Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine. I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing. Hard to mimic the state, regardless.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but the disk is fine.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 15:34 asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886835 << They just don't want anyone booting into the wrong version of Windows ☝︎
mod6: mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware. In particular a suspected bad SSD. I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs.
mircea_popescu: making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want
asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( who the FUCK thought this was acceptable behaviour )
asciilifeform: i'ma cure the asinine grub keyboard thing.
BingoBoingo: I forgot to plug the ethernet back in
mircea_popescu: you can do that ?!
asciilifeform: update : box is up; loox like BingoBoingo hastily reassembled thing last night without the nic plug properly seated.
asciilifeform: anyways booted nao, about to instrument.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hrm, i switch this off in my installs, but this box is a BingoBoingo creation.
mircea_popescu: well, if you feed it kbd it will turn auto-timer off.
BingoBoingo: Please deliver instructions in #pizarro as I don't know how much log troubleshooting is going to generate
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the rack
asciilifeform: update : it aint hung, responds, but i have nfi how this thing ever auto-booted in the past -- the boot menu dun seem to have a timeout , wtf
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf, thing appears to be hung on the grub menu screen
mircea_popescu: bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << in utter lulz : could the democrat party be any less fucking relevant these days ? it's gop-senate vs gop-house and trump.
mircea_popescu: that's nice and all, but meanwhile here i sit talking to people about absent sites yes.
diana_coman: basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore; and yes, last parts in there were ~2016
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al : not a planned outage, at this point i strongly suspect iron issue
mircea_popescu: when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up
mircea_popescu: jurov used to maintain a git repo (2016 maybe ?) but we're not that git-friendly anyway and he kinda stopped working on it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai multiple layers. it went from .bz to .biz sometime 2017 maybe ?
shinohai: ( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack?
mircea_popescu: oh, is this uy1 being down ?
mircea_popescu: but i mean no part of the site responds ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really
mircea_popescu: diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ?
diana_coman: wasn't that with old versions/unmaintained ?
shinohai: I tried cloning, simply times out ( was going to add additional post on subject )
diana_coman: thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too ; at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing
shinohai: I look forward to client updates, also found http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/ quite interesting btw.
diana_coman: at the very least, dubious messages if/when it gets them
diana_coman: bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886522 <<< Thanx, also will report to diana_coman if configuring out bullet has any negative consequences, so far everything renders correctly as far as I can tell. ☝︎
asciilifeform: aand i'ma apply the supplied algo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a mega-point
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band together and b) control, deliberately, the product. they did a very strict anti-a and anti-b. why! the only reason mit even exists in this picture is because the dozen was "omfg, we DID figure it out, now quick, find someone TO PROTECT US FROM OUR HAVING FIGURED IT OUT!!1" holy shit who thinks like this and why do they.
mircea_popescu: phf pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
mircea_popescu: back to the truly irksome :
mircea_popescu: no offense to Mocky_ , whose brain works fine.
asciilifeform: very handy test tho
mircea_popescu: but then agai nthe space of shit is SO VAST it's not feasible to exhaustively test.
mircea_popescu: besides i have testing for this specific, "whyat happens with net interface unreliability", never found this particular issue
asciilifeform: this dun normally nail the process tho
mircea_popescu: i ~suspect~ but obviously have no way of proving that its netpipe flickered and it never recovered.
mircea_popescu: and there it goes : happily eats ctrl-c, OF COURSE, cuz why the fuck have any sort of notion of human priviledge or anything, terminal has its own mind, right. but if sigkilled dies peacibly and then restarts as if nothing had happened.
asciilifeform: sorta whole orig thrust behind asciilifeform's archaeologies, experiments in old days, fpga room, etc
asciilifeform: unixtardation is an item i'd like to live to see an end put to, verily.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything useful could be had in a timeframe shorter than re-doing all of bitcoin. it's a large box etc.
asciilifeform: ( aand they're a 1st class bitch to get anyffing useful out of )
asciilifeform: in the past , asciilifeform encountered cases like this and resorted to dumping physical mem images. but doesnt expect mircea_popescu to do this
mircea_popescu: here i sit and stare into the terminal, not knowing what to do. this happens absolutely never in my life, except when dealing with fucking computers.
asciilifeform: unixtardation, crashism, bigger calamity than pb in petrol, or in pipes, or 100 chernobyls
mircea_popescu: "something happened -- nobody knows when or why or how. would you like fries with that ?"
asciilifeform: heh i have a whole www about these..
mircea_popescu: i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem. ☟︎
asciilifeform wishes that these happend on ~his~ boxen !
mircea_popescu: "why didn't it sell with the rest ?" still haunts me.
mircea_popescu: this anger has led me to re-read ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ ; only to discover i'm ~still~ not satisfied
mircea_popescu: but what the FUCK can i do, run everything in debug, maybe 3-5-12 layers deep ?
asciilifeform: i assume mircea_popescu already checked that disk wasnt full
mircea_popescu: i weep not hjaving ran this particular instance in debug, so i can't see where it's looping, or wtf
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik yer the pioneer , this is 1st such case on record.
mircea_popescu: ending then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what if anyffing is in the log tail ?
mircea_popescu: is this a first ?
mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and ahh, what a joy to be catched up!
mircea_popescu: i happen to agree with the fellow, "partial order" (as in, the term of art) is specifically why not actually breaking anything.
BingoBoingo: relationship is also the largest of our recurring fiat denominated expenses. Sitting here my thinking latched onto present cash flow situation as the datacenter's goodwill isn't very liquid.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ? << The cash flow situation concerns me. Our fiat denominated holdings have appreciated. As you assessed earlier our primary asset is a healthy customer relationship with the (very rare) independent datacenter. Maintaining that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty, i'ma instrument the thing for realtime logging soon as i wake up ( about to turn in, and would rather not break things when half awake )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 02:37 mircea_popescu: in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886726 << very happy to hear that mircea_popescu enjoyed reading. i've put a good bit of sweat in recent times into keeping these pieces short & edible. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fans clean, all spin. Palpable air movement in and out of the chassis. Seals in tact on arrival, new seals deployed. KVM connected. I did not manage to find the internal log in the BIOS.