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mircea_popescu: so your
theory'd be, fitting with
the above,
that
this is what
they called a "sensitive child" who is
trying
to assuage his existential vertigo by "taming" [pseudo]science
to play
the role of a sort of marketing ?
mircea_popescu: I’m not sure why you’d use persuasion/marketing as a shiny metaphor for science, other
than its
the
theme of
this chapter. ”If you know science you can manipulate people as if you were literally in control of
them” seems like a broad, and mostly untrue claim.
mircea_popescu: This whole conversation feels ham fisted, Hariezer is consistently
telling us about all
the manipulative
tricks
they are both using. Its less a conversation and more people who just sat
through a shitty marketing seminar
trying
to
try out what
they learned. WITH RAPE.
mircea_popescu: (dunno about yer lands, but
that's exactly how kindergarten was done when i was 5ish)
mircea_popescu: very successful with a certain age range, mostly because well...
the gals are itching for a
trashing, but also kinda affraid it may hurt.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you know
this sort - often comes out at
the beach.
tall, good looking kid, not a jock, has learned some poetry and gazes into
the distance a lot.
mircea_popescu: in any case, .ro space has a coupla of
these, "artists"
that wish
to be philosophers/scientists.
the result is endless lol fountain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but
the language is
the message, here. guy's not writing down
to anyone but himself.
mircea_popescu: If
the Flare interpreter knows
that "human" is a class defined in
the module "people",
then it knows
to expect
that
the
tag "arms" refers
to an instance member with numeric content.
This is how
the Flare interpreter knows
that 2 means
the number 2 and not
the string "2".
mircea_popescu: in what complang is it
the case
that you can't add stuff
to code ?!
mircea_popescu: easily created),
these properties are shared by Flare objects and Flare programs."
mircea_popescu: "Flare is based on XML. In dialects of LISP, both
the program and
the program data are represented as lists. In Flare,
the program and program data, and ideally
the program state, are all represented as well-formed XML. Because XML is annotative (additional sub-elements can be easily added
to any parent element without destroying
the structural integrity of existing data) and extensible (new sub-element
types can be
mircea_popescu: ^ check it out, it allowed
them
to mix
text with display rules, because xml.
mircea_popescu: right,
that's what i;m saying. obviously cunt gets pounded. but all
the pretense around it ? y ?
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with it, as a process, but
the acultural approach
to it... o brother.
mircea_popescu: or as
that romanian dude put it, "hai c-am furat un negativ"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know
that's an age honored
thing in usia. which is why all
the brouhaha over "intelle;ctual property" and "bla bla
theft" is so funny for people who aren't either born yesterday or
to stupid parents in
the great plains. srsly, someone stole from murica ? what, christmas ?
mircea_popescu: then merge
that with
the "i failed and so nobody else should
try it!" reversal of
the "i
tried and
thus no one should criticize me" insanity...
mircea_popescu: d I’m
too intelligent
to look up
to my parents
the way
that children are designed
to do. My parents love me, but
they don’t feel obliged
to respond
to reason, and sometimes I feel like
they’re
the children - children who won’t listen and have absolute authority over my whole existence. I
try not
to be
too bitter about it, but I also
try
to be honest with myself, so, yes, I’m bitter.
mircea_popescu: "I’m
too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing
to say
to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough
to really
talk
to me. And frankly, even if
they did,
they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe
that has some of
the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
☟︎ mircea_popescu: lol you know
the portrait
that emerges is exactly
that of
the sort of kid i'd bust
the nose of within a coupla days of being introduced ?
mircea_popescu: one could read
treatises on learned
topics written by anonymous americans cca 1800
to about
the same effect.
mircea_popescu: it's just proof
that people are endlessly stupid on
their own
terms.
mircea_popescu: listen, a large crowd of bearded idiots following
the child prophet is no proof of
the child's anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have little
to no evidence of
this. all i see is
the
text, and
the
text is
truely appalling.
mircea_popescu: actually
the cat doesn't even have
to be dense per se, it could just be very hot.
funkenstein_: you give us a chance we will get it wrong.
that's why it is so important
to have
those stupid signs up you mentioned.
mircea_popescu: of course
this argument falls apart once one considers
that - according
to various muppets cca 1900, "physics was a closed science", so by
the logic above proposed everyone should be kept from nature itself as
they muck it up.
funkenstein_: hmm.. more likely
they were just
the same kind of people who enjoy
their power as academics
today
mircea_popescu: no, but because acquiring a monkey-ish familiarity with material is a
trivial
task, which will
then prevent an ambitious and inexperienced actor from actually learning anything.
mircea_popescu: never before have i realised
the wisdom of
the jews / early christians in keeping
the books under key.
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking pervasive by now,
they can extract it by simple aculturation.
mircea_popescu: exactly what it is. backed by nothing but
the full faith and credit of
the usg, in
the shape of little bits of paper issued by Department of Harvard,
The Stanford Agency scl etc.
mircea_popescu: and
THAT is sure as fuck not implied by
the form of any part of any "hamiltonian", w r hamilton's reproductive organs included.
mircea_popescu: however, if you add all
the smarts people assign
themselves and divide by
the ... like i dunno, 5000 or so
total iq points available for
the bn or so english speakers, you roughly get infinity.
mircea_popescu: if you add all
the money people
think
they're worth, and divide by all
the value
that actually exists, you only get a few degrees of magnitude out of
the process.
mircea_popescu: that's a
topic
that desperately needs awareness,
the bezzle's nothing compared
to
the igzzle.
mircea_popescu: where
the fuck are
the people holding up signs with "you are stupid"
to raise awareness ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's unavoidable given an "educational system"
that fails
to
teach anything but manages
to impart absurd delusions of self worth and power, and completely destructured personal social relations.
mircea_popescu: i am slowly and unpleasantly realising
that
there will be no end of
these ignare cvasi-intellectuals.
mircea_popescu: Poor, misguided random internet person- your donation
to MIRI/LessWrong will not help save
the world. Even if you grant all
their (rather silly) assumptions MIRI is a horribly unproductive research institute- in more
than a decade, it has published fewer peer reviewed papers
than
the average physics graduate student does while in grad school."
mircea_popescu: "I read
the comments on an HPMOR chapter, which I recommend strongly against. I wish I could
talk
to several of
the commentators, and gently
talk
them out of a poor financial decision.
mircea_popescu: "You
turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy!
That’s not just an arbitrary rule, it’s implied by
the form of
the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and
then you get FTL signalling!”
mircea_popescu: there's no substance
to it past getting you
to say
that, just like
there's no substance past oprah's skin color past getting black people
to buy shit.