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trinque: I do not
think
there's a verbal definition of being
trinque got really like, far out, man, one
time and concluded
that his language processing bits were not
the only
thing he is
jurov: if you don't do fork but just spawn
threads? what is self
there?
☟︎ trinque: Adlai: dunno how far
the programming metaphor goes; explain?
Adlai just finished
the alpha version of his
twist on actors/csp
Adlai: trinque: right.
the child process sees itself when dereferencing 'self'
danielpbarron: it's another
tower of babel for man
to
think he can write a program
to simulate his own brain better
than it already is
trinque: or
to
the religious, "himself before god" or something
trinque: and only
to myself, I can't disclose
that
thing
to anyone else
trinque: and no other imagined
thing
trinque: it is hard for me
to draw conclusions about
that scenario because uploaded is not at all defined
danielpbarron: the
thing on
the other side would
think it is you, but it wouldn't be you
trinque: so if I change my
thoughts about myself, I change?
trinque: there's a mental defect where one considers himself
to be an idea
☟︎ trinque: dunno if I put
that clearly at all
trinque: danielpbarron: seems so many people
try
to argue
themselves out of
the obvious fact of
their own being
trinque: and I
think a better way
than not considering it at all
jurov: someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and
tell him you have
the rest of his clone in cellar
☟︎ trinque: and
that
thing is what I identify with,
that my experience of being is right fucking here
trinque: that
there are an infinite number of copies of me with
the same arrangement of atoms does not change
that fact
trinque: Adlai: so? I'm experiencing subjectivity, whatever
the fuck
that is, *here* and definitely not *there*
Adlai: it's like saying
that in
The Prestige, whatsisname is a mass-murderer... he's not, he just fork()s
trinque: I
took a look at less wrong a while ago, and decided I could find an easier fetish
trinque: "Per Yudkowsky's conception of continuity of identity, copies of you in
these branches should be considered
to exist (and be you) — even
though you cannot interact with
them."
trinque: their position is irrelevant
to
the question?
trinque: so you've got
two hammers, and
they're identical
to
the atom
trinque: part of
the basilisk
thing
trinque: this idea
that an exact duplicate of me *is* me seems absurd on its face
trinque: kind of reminds me of
the AI in
that
nubbins`: man,
this Roko's Basilisk is some straight-up bughouse stuff
brendafdez: it still is, at least as of last week i got ddosed when entering
the chan
brendafdez: trinque yes i never bothered
to configure it properly
trinque: brendafdez: might want
to make sure your client auths before join
nubbins`: you're supposed
to soak
the entire book block in water+glue,
then press it
til it's dried,
then cut
the hole out
trinque: wasn't a proposal
though :p
nubbins`: next you'll
tell me
that
taking anti-anxiety meds won't help resolve deeply-rooted personal issues 8)
nubbins`: jurov what else ya gonna do w/
turmoil
jurov: scratch
that accurate. any projection.
jurov: from experience i surmised it's used
to find accurate projection for inner
turmoil
assbot: The Smallest Bible (NKJV, Black, Snap Flap Closing):
Thomas Nelson: 9780840784469: Amazon.com: Books ... (
http://bit.ly/1x9QMF9 )
danielpbarron: i ordered what was described as "pocket sized" and it
turned out
to be much larger
nubbins`: jurov i
think it's used more as a reference manual
than a novel
danielpbarron: sometimes in arguments people are like "oh yeah where does it say
that!?"
jurov: btw, i was always curious what is one supposed
to do with
the bible all
the
time?
danielpbarron: i don't need fancy
thingys; just
the whole NKJV
text pocket sized with a zipper so
the pages don't get messed up when i
travel with it but w/e my KJV works well enough
nubbins`: "The "great majority of incunables did not issue from
the press in a finished state ... hardly any incunable was considered 'finished' by its printer ...", suggesting
that hand rubrication provided a sense of legitimacy
to
the efforts of early printers and
their works."
nubbins`: in
the previous example, no such space was left for
the number and
the painted letter
nubbins`: nicer embellishments by
the rubricators meant a higher selling price
nubbins`: the red and blue ink were added afterward, by hand, and
the printer left a blank space for
them
nubbins`: ^ check out
the missing paragraph break,
top right
danielpbarron: that also has
the "references" B.S. which I don't need -- I'd rather have
the NKJV alternate
transation footnotes
danielpbarron: actually maybe nubbins` can help me
there; I have
this really nice pocket Bible with a zipper and real leather, but it's KJV and i'd like it in NKJV
nubbins`: he's got one
that's a reproduction of
the 1st-edition gutenberg bible
nubbins`: friend of mine has a
ton of bibles
danielpbarron: i'd like more NKJV but
they just aren't as widly produced
danielpbarron: one of
the best places
to get like-new Bibles is a used book store
☟︎ ascii_field: danielpbarron: varying
translations or just bindings ?
ascii_field: went
to find a soft-leather-bound Bible with gold edges on
the India paper, just like I had wanted and asked for, without unwelcome suggestions or anyone pretending
to know better
than me. It was so respectful I almost got religion, myself. '
ascii_field: Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and
then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy,
The Chicago Manual of Style, and
the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of
them arguing
that if I wanted
the most important book, I would want
their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back
to
the bookstore and
the very helpful young Muslim woman behind
the counter
ascii_field: ' I went
to my local bookstore
the other day. I wanted
to give a beautifully bound Bible
to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound
Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on
the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of
The Lord of
the Rings, Atlas
Adlai: being in
the wot qualifies you for overseeing marriage in 2020 england, kind of stuff
nubbins`: Adlai religious
texts are ++++ for
those
nubbins`: seals are uh, "special" mammalia.
they're cute enough
that
their harvesting produces outrage
nubbins`: ascii_field
there's a woman in
town who's been binding for years, has an ancient letterpress setup. i'd say she'd at least know where
to point me for leather work
cazalla: what's
that.. a bit over 700ml.. damn
that's a good effort BingoBoingo
nubbins`: at which point
things will come full-circle and i'll be silkscreening fabric for
the covers of silkscreened books
nubbins`: i've done staple-binding, perfect binding, kettle stitch binding... eventually i'm gonna have
to order some board and cloth
nubbins`: although
TBF an old-timey bookbinding setup is still an incredibly efficient way
to work
ascii_field: in
the sense
that a
typical artisan binder would probably react
to my laser suggestion
the same way my musical friends react
to
the suggestion of connecting my air compressor
to
the
tuba
☟︎ nubbins`: ...or maybe i just can't be
taught it 8)
nubbins`: harkens back
to
the first
time i rcv'd a mouser catalog
nubbins`: ^ source of all
things bookish
cazalla: ascii_field, we do
things different down under :)
nubbins`: the edges
this plough makes are as smooth as fucking /glass/.
nubbins`: mayhap. but it'd singe
the pages?
nubbins`: nobody wants
to pay me
to
typeset a piece of shit for 20 hours 8)
nubbins`: until such point is reached
that
the code is worthy of bookifying
nubbins`: danielpbarron it was shelved at
the
time
danielpbarron: did
that 0.5.3 source ever become a book? maybe put
that on
the list of
things I'd buy if enough people in pool
nubbins`: 5th image shows
the kind of corners a
thousand-dollar book plough makes.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: linus is wrong, but very few people seem
to grasp
the reason why
ascii_field: but fact remains,
there is no automagickal machine for it