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trinque: lockheed martins and googles are what I expect to remain in the ashes
PeterL: I wonder if google is cacheing the info on servers outside the US, so they could outlast a US collapse?
decimation: I like moldbug's theory: those 'with a brain' are generally engaged in spending all their time battling each other
trinque: "don't be evil" has to be the cheesiest wink at the camera of all time ☟︎
decimation: the same could be said about the us in general
trinque: I don't buy that such overtly, cynically powerful entities have not a single functioning brain within
decimation: I don't buy that there is a meta-google
trinque: they'll be powerful for a long time.
trinque: the company has more information than arguably any other, and is building a robot army
trinque: asciilifeform's two govts observation about the US I think applies to Googles as well
asciilifeform: say what you like about library of alexandria, but usenet '85-'2000 was home to virtually all of the technically competent folks who exist today.
decimation: the assumption of competence when it comes to a big bureaucracy is generally a poor one
asciilifeform: trinque: they bought up the dejanews optical disks. and i'm be rather surprised if they didn't still have them.
trinque: quip above about the fall was that I'm sure inside google it's easy to access all this information, regardless of what levers the external surface has
asciilifeform: i still can't tell if it was mere neglect, or shitgnomery, or specifically the folks who posted silly things on usenet in the '80-'90s are trying to run for political office, or what.
asciilifeform: then they stopped making them searchable separately
decimation: 'deja news' was kinda like the original 'stack overflow' in terms of its usefulness to troubleshooting common computer issues
asciilifeform: and before that, they glommed it into their idiot 'google groups' thing ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: it's in there, as far as i can tell, but quietly stopped being searchable a year or so ago
decimation: trinque: in the olden days it was expected your local isp would provide a usenet server and collect archives
PeterL: I used a couple "google groups" for a while, before I moved up to the bitcoinTalk forum
trinque: I'm not old enough to have experienced a usenet golden age
trinque: asciilifeform: is the situation that google bought deja news then didn't put up the whole archive?
decimation: do you have a collection of custom scripts to turn a pile of images into a pdf/djvu
asciilifeform: like the old spies with their 'minox' cams.
asciilifeform: decimation: tripod
decimation: agreed, me too
asciilifeform: but i happen to live here. and to me the availability of this or that piece of dead tree - matters.
asciilifeform: i kinda wish i could think myself into the mindset of 'immortal olympian' that way
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything. ☟︎
asciilifeform: in the course of which most of it would be destroyed
decimation: something tells me google security would notice the racks going out the door
asciilifeform: trinque: see their usenet archive to learn what happens to material that the 1990s-birthdayed morons don't give a damn about
trinque: google, one of the things which will survive the fall...
asciilifeform: it's as uninteresting as the fact that the author might still have it on some ancient 8mm tape
asciilifeform: decimation: they have almost everything
PeterL: why need to build on bitcoin?
decimation: the g00g has it in their repo...
trinque: needs to be built on bitcoin
trinque: PeterL: in the ballpark; there's storj, also ballpark
PeterL: trinque: isn't that what bitmessage is supposed to do?
decimation: asciilifeform: https://books.google.com/books?id=ruhQAAAAMAAJ < this?
trinque: asciilifeform: I have long wanted a system where member nodes can all publish wads 'o gpg stuff, peers don't know the contents of the wad, give each-other redundancy ☟︎
asciilifeform: and if it is ever there, it will almost certainly be because i will have found the time to scan it & post it.
asciilifeform: it isn't there
trinque: asciilifeform: yeh, people here would have to run it
asciilifeform: trinque: warez only really works for popular things
trinque: that idea is better off being a tool you run against your own bitcoind
trinque: part of the interest for me working on deedbot- was to see how hard the next thing would be, publishing magnet link hashes, dht keys, something like that
asciilifeform: to anyone who ever wondered about what the net would look like if it were controlled by publishers, rather than telecoms: it would look like the academia web.
asciilifeform: we don't have a mechanism for producing the good stuff separately, yet. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but this changes nothing
asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will have to fill in for him and point out that yes, 99.9999% percent of the material is crud
decimation: ^ me too
asciilifeform: and generally the answer is 'constantly'
asciilifeform: the frustration of the activity is directly proportional to how often i end up 'following a dead link' - that is, trying to access something - anything - referred to in any work, and finding out that it isn't in the collection or i'm not cleared for it
trinque: nor the interest
trinque: PeterL: depends on licensing I guess; I don't have the bankroll to get into any copyright battles for anyone
asciilifeform: but this is a case of 'the spittoon'
decimation: sure, or at least a hash/pointer to the same
PeterL: would deedbot be a suitable place to publish scientific research? ☟︎
PeterL: all the articles asciilifeform wants to read later
asciilifeform: i'm not even satisfied that he did it himself
decimation: note that attempting to accomplish this task was why whats his face hung himself
asciilifeform: decimation: the authors virtually never see any positive cashflow
PeterL: new #B-A need: print off all the articles and store in a library ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: publishers/authors have 'come to expect' royalties
asciilifeform: and if it takes ww3 to eliminate the reasons for this - then i am enthusiastically in favour of ww3.
decimation: but that was when only people who knew wtf they were doing could even read
asciilifeform: to 'shorten the ooda loop'
asciilifeform: the whole point of a library, originally (ancient and medieval worlds) was so you don't have to write to phriend across the sea 'please send me work xxxxx' and get it two years later when you forget what it was even for
decimation: and then if patsy discovers the volume/paper/whatever wasn't useful, how do you think they will react?
decimation: it's not like several day delay involved in informing whatever patsy to do what is needed is great for your train of thought
asciilifeform: nubbins`: mildly surprised there's no market for os-free laptops of somewhat rugged construction << iirc the term of art is 'lemon market'
asciilifeform: not idiot 'winamp playlists' of titles
asciilifeform: PeterL: browsing for me implies instant access to full text
PeterL: browse through google scholar?
asciilifeform: this is easy with print, difficult with www, but absolutely impossible with www that someone else is cranking for you
asciilifeform: but just to massage brain
asciilifeform: most of the time when i go to that library it isn't even for a specific rational purpose ☟︎
asciilifeform: speaking of the online stuff, really
PeterL: you grep the dead trees?
nubbins`: i've downloaded bootlegged concerts, since lost, that i will never, ever, ever find again
asciilifeform: rather than 'fetch me XXXXX'
asciilifeform: (who would put it there, and why?)
asciilifeform: because 'anyone who's anyone can read on www' or the like.
asciilifeform: because even the things still issued in print - many of the print subscriptions at this place were allowed to lapse
asciilifeform: there has been a very sharp decline in the past few yrs in what i am able to access at the library
nubbins`: even if you could read 'em online, look what happens if you read them too fast
asciilifeform: and i pay actual money just to be permitted in the library
PeterL: asciilifeform:and to the extent it isn't a problem, it is solely because academia is mostly dead as a going concern << and here I go trying to get back into it :(
PeterL: decimation: in fact, it makes things worse, because they can positively identify to whom 'reading privileges' belong << people share files, right?
decimation: in fact, it makes things worse, because they can positively identify to whom 'reading privileges' belong
decimation: PeterL: it doesn't matter that it's all online
PeterL: btw, I'm a couple days behind in the logs
PeterL: asciilifeform:the same folks who were paying the parasites (i will not call them publishers, they withhold only - performing not a single one of the traditional functions of a publishing house save the physical printing) - will continue to pay. << what is this "physical printing"? everything is online now
PeterL: it's the only place close enough to be commutable
PeterL: so I applied for grad school today
decimation: the issue is that it might suck if you don't run osx
nubbins` doesn't do much disk thrashing