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decimation: hehe yea not me262 though
asciilifeform: fine. make a me262 with jungle tech.
decimation: as I recall the 'v1' had no moving parts
funkenstein_: transistor tech has changed a bit in 40 years, jet engines not so much
asciilifeform: decimation: make me so much as a transistor circa 1950 with partizan tech.
asciilifeform: aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise
decimation: yes, presumes the ability to manufacture jet parts
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
asciilifeform: decimation: pertinent thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2014#934786 ☝︎
asciilifeform: thing is, there are multiple overlapping fields of fire re: usg vs exchanges. e.g., banks monitor -all- incoming and outgoing flow
decimation: kinda like a 'v1', but with the appropriate tracking/seeking system, and an entire fleet in orbit around 'La Serenissima'
mircea_popescu: i told him he was wrong back then. sadly... as per the castrato model, never answered.
asciilifeform: decimation: actually they didn't need to jail - no one dared
decimation: moldbug thought the us would jail exchanges/possessors, but usg lost the initiative on that one
mircea_popescu: and so i imagine this is what they'll do.
asciilifeform: for the current set of lizardfolk
mircea_popescu: the only actually available thing is, print a "Obama made this lolz" sticker, try to affix.
asciilifeform: sure - but which is the desired one
asciilifeform: ideally 1+2, i venture to guess, from their point of view
asciilifeform: as i understand, operating with the 'monetary system as storage battery' model (mr mold's ?) usg has two possible (non-exclusive) agendas re: btc: 1) steal charge from the battery 2) blow up the battery
decimation: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket
mircea_popescu: gotta keep the pretense up.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, draper gets to pretend like he's a savvy businessman ?
asciilifeform: but what'd be the 'win' here ?
asciilifeform: but i can see the 'win' from afghan - lockheed, grumman, halliburton, general dynamics, etc. get to churn inventory
mircea_popescu: seems to me they mostly buy us shit, so.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, they bought isis the weapons and then they bought isis the meatsacks to practice shooting round tikrit.
asciilifeform: where 1) idiot fed pays 10x 2) mr jihad buys 10x normal coin 3) ??? 4) go to 1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the kill shot would involve an 'arse-mouth system', no?
funkenstein_: i think this is a post dollar discussion
decimation: asciilifeform: but then usg is stuck with backing dollars with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the only purpose it would really work for is, giving us a lot of weaponry to kill them with
asciilifeform: 'woah my shit is worth 10x, sell' goes typical lamer
asciilifeform: and less noise, less fuss, than gasenwagen
mircea_popescu: but notice that the people who do not suffer from that famous " pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy " will not have much problems using usg-nodes anyway
asciilifeform: it is worth asking what usg would be trying to accomplish with fedcoin
mircea_popescu: or at any rate try.
funkenstein_: you don't have to ddos the remaining nodes.. just declare your colored coins to be worth 10x the others
mircea_popescu: sadly for that party the attempt to do so quietly failed catastrophically, but what's that mean ?
mircea_popescu: there's a reason usgavin & co pretend like nodes are not important while trying to make them not feasible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose they make a few peers that use Luke-Jr style rules, and then ddos the ~60 or so remaining nodes.
asciilifeform: nor enabled them to mint debased coin at will
asciilifeform: what do they do when it is time to confiscate? revoke the blessing on the coin? this doesn't move it back into the state coffer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fedcoin carved from bitcoin is missing key feature for them - forced transfer
asciilifeform: but wanted to make some kind of statement against dice
asciilifeform: iirc he understood that other folks would choose to relay the 'bad' tx
funkenstein_: actually that kinda makes more sense than a separate fedcoin
decimation: luke-jr was kinda advocating the blacklist if I recall
asciilifeform: !s taxcoin
mircea_popescu: but it jives very well with "so what if we can't control bitcoin - it'd divisible, so let's just carve a kiddy pool and play in there! "
asciilifeform: didn't this already have one go around ?
asciilifeform: seems like inevitably will be tried
mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: aite then
asciilifeform: but i get the legal fiction involved, yes
asciilifeform: that it was servants of the crown who not only showed up to dekulakize the electrician, but handed out jail term
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 00:00:17; asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064373 << might be exactly the problem, on superficial perusal of the literature. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: how's that relevant ?
asciilifeform: the state helpfully did it for them
asciilifeform: except they did go to the state. the heirs, note, didn't show up with rifle to take it
mircea_popescu: which is why the picassos aren't going to the state, but to the heirs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, under this concept, if cannot prove that it is yours, it reverts to the last registered owner?
mircea_popescu: i made up the term for this discussion.
asciilifeform unable to find 'constructive title' in reference; only found 'constructive possession'
mircea_popescu: that's not the controlling bit. the controlling bit is, "can you prove this is yours ?"
asciilifeform: are picassos presumed to come from dope work ?
mircea_popescu: but that's the font of all the "prove you didn't steal it" thing.
mircea_popescu: "except so and so" = "except if it seems to come from drugdealing"
mircea_popescu: well, you can read it any way you want, but legally, it flows from "title is title, if you don't have title you may use constructive title (possession is 9/10 of the law and all that), except so and so"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i always read it as 'plebe may not possess allocatory capital tokens' thing
mircea_popescu: note that i'm not saying anything about what's useful, merely going through how the logic of that thing works.
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "confiscated cash in drug bust" thing.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 23:54:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064364 << constructive title. ☝︎
asciilifeform not expert on the practical mechanics of electric feudalism
asciilifeform: or at least a coalition of folks who are able to penalize you for violating the title (could wot do this? possibly)
asciilifeform: not necessarily the modern totalitarian monstrosity. but state in some form
decimation: or perhaps resolves to 'imma kill u 'n take ur stuff'
decimation: asciilifeform: the question in my mind is the concept of 'title' without reference to the state. it seems to me that it is meaningless outside a particular legal code
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
asciilifeform: it's copied exactly off the forest laws of medieval england << who, then, are the nobles? is obamitler walking around in seal coat? warren buffett ?
asciilifeform: 'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ?
asciilifeform: (it was an essay largely about this concept)
asciilifeform: the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all << obligatory: my original review of MPEx.
asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'It is possible to construct a rational argument, from broadly agreeable premises, that leads directly to the NAP...' << these folks use 'natural law' crapolade as a crutch to avoid the demand of having agency
asciilifeform: o say not at all, but it isn't aggressively tossed in anyone's face and hence 'does not exist' in the mind of the populist idiots..
asciilifeform: 'In fact, I rather suspect that GPG will fade away as other implementations gain currency. It's old, crusty, built from barely readable source code, license terms inhibited, and maintained by people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)' << mega-l0l. thing is, in a way the fool is right, it 'faded away' the same way common lisp did. which is t
asciilifeform: usg will readily dispute this claiming they actually DO have title to bitcoin they confiscate << guaranteed.
asciilifeform: other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important << what would a picture with a living satoshi look like ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible << i'd argue that picassos are more or less 'analogue bitcoin' for the ultra-bezzlerich. hence my interest in the linked turd
asciilifeform: if 'possession is 9/10th of the law,' as is the maxim, why not 10/10 ?
asciilifeform: and why exactly is this concept of permission from the state to be recognized as the owner, a useful thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible ☟︎
BingoBoingo: jurov's got the magic command
mircea_popescu tries to even remember who these were, memory fails.
thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/579642765769867266 << the undead continues
ben_vulpes: trinque: slaves to the wot