asciilifeform: in re inbanditry -- recall misfortunate boy without t-cells; ~he~ went in a plastic bubble, observe. him, rather than every possible other people who might sneeze on him.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's quite likely enuff coin just in trb hotwallets, to buy a flotilla. and if you can get to it, it's as yours as your own nose, nobody could do a thing about it. so wtf are you doing fucking with php.
asciilifeform: to the victor -- the spoils. take'em privkeys.
asciilifeform: for that matter, why does douchebag settle for small change of www ? a remote ex for trb or even prb will easily bring in enuff loot to buy a battleship. without having to convince anybody, i'll note, of anything.
asciilifeform: and so, without any ill will to douchebag , i would put the likelihood that he had learned from something worth learning from, as somewhere near 0
asciilifeform: there is ~precious~ little 'high standard' anything to learn from.
asciilifeform: this is a genuine problem with whole fucking field, not a personal flaw of douchebag
asciilifeform: douchebag: from whence comes the idea in your head of 'high standard' ? what program have you read that 'was written to high standard', wouldja know it 'if it bit you' ??
asciilifeform: douchebag: auditor studies three separate ( and usually in cases where audit is called for, quite disjoint ) items -- a) the problem the program is solving b) what the author ~declared~ to be the solution to (a) c) what the program he wrote, ~actually does~, under the closure of all possible inputs
asciilifeform: audit is in all cases ~considerably harder~
asciilifeform: in what case, douchebag , is proper audit somehow easier than writing the program from empty space to solve the same problem. describe one.
asciilifeform: how does this connect to the thread ?
asciilifeform: then from whence came the 'it depends...' ?
asciilifeform: whereas meat linter wants 100+watt, and house, and gurlz, and fast cars, and hell knows what else
asciilifeform: at least the linter only wants a few watts to run
asciilifeform: exactly like the idjit payware linter, but more expensive because you are made of meat
asciilifeform: if you think that it suffices to look for 'known types of questionable code', you are then a meat scanner
asciilifeform: so evidently douchebag you think that it is possible to speak of 'having audited' a program that you did not fully understand, in the sense where you could sit down in a room with a 'clean' comp and write it again ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: do you, for example, think that it is easier to audit a program, than to write it ?
asciilifeform: if it's in any kind of way influenced by 'industry best practice'(tm)(r) in particular.
asciilifeform: douchebag: i suspect that your idea of 'comprehensive audit' is exaggeratedly painless
asciilifeform: ( evidently , shitoshi -- for whatever his other flaws -- knew how to run 'lint' )
asciilifeform: possibly funnily , early in trb life , asciilifeform on a lark put it through a $maxint scamolade 'cpp security auditor' proggy that the imperial slavegalley he was working in, had bought. the result -- unsuprisingly to tuned-in folx, i expect -- was so unremarkable that i did not bother to post it.
asciilifeform: unix even has helpful commandline items for this..
asciilifeform: and suddenly when you apply this you get flexibility that you could never get from mechanical fences.
asciilifeform: cpu quotas and other 'systems that can be exam-gamed' are not substitute for talking to people.
asciilifeform: the ~other~ engineering heuristic that's absolutely imho grand, and that i stole from mircea_popescu , is 'there is not a mechanical substitute for coming to an understanding with the people you live and work with'
asciilifeform: japan at least has excuse of resource-impoverished godforsaken island with 0 minerals
asciilifeform: and the friction is substantial and is in fact not 60 but 90+% of the resources spent at shitazon etc
asciilifeform: not only cpu; they all share bus, and nic
asciilifeform: and N kernels being run instead of 1 (each of which thinks that it owns an actual iron comp)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik that's more of an asymmetric-multiprocessing flavour of thing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct. what do you suppose duplicate multi-GB linuxen in ram at all times, cost nothing ??
asciilifeform: this is 1) costly , vmization imposes continuous context-switching for cpu, even with the acceleration garbage it is ruinous 2) pointless, because readily 'escaped' from
asciilifeform: back to the 'let's remove pretenses' -- let's put on record for the log: the 'traditional' style of vps is quite heavy in overhead, because pointlessly emulates for each inhabitant 'you have a i-cant-believe-its-not-a-physical-box-with-physical-nic-and-disks-etc' item☟︎
asciilifeform: but once you introduce 'i want to run XYZ' -- can eat
asciilifeform: in scenario where the only user proggy is apache -- correct, cannot eat
