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assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 02:35:50; mircea_popescu: ironcally, bitbet is not merely "a sure thing" - it's the only actually profitable, legit bitcoin business to date. THE ONLY.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 17:39:26; asciilifeform: i must agree with phf. and i think this is how nubbins` ended up killfiled by mircea_popescu, for the 'i speak for trees, for the trees have no tongues' thing.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:40:41; PeterL: mircea_popescu what about the part of the listing that says shares will be paid out a minimum of 0.00001 ? If selling the domain+code does not cover the 17btc shortfall and this minimum, are you and kakobrekla expected to pay this out of pocket?
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 01:55:04; mircea_popescu: knowledge that you can drop 1, 10 or 1000 bitcoin on an arbitrary proposition and be covered fairly, people did not wish to do so!
cazalla: http://www.antiquities.org.il/article_eng.aspx?sec_id=25&subj_id=240 not a bad find
punkman: http://www.m1key.me/photography/road_to_north_korea/
ben_vulpes: you don't *have* to do /anything/, mircea_popescu!
ben_vulpes: one for mircea_popescu http://www.cam4.com/hotnoielya
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm illiterate!
phf: ben_vulpes: you can't trick me, i've been to portland, and i gotta tell ya, there's not much starving going on there
phf: ben_vulpes: i suspect they don't know what they are doing
phf: like one of those ben_vulpes shops, $300k bezzle a website
adlai finds that he has nothing further constructive to add to the bitbet receivership saga; wishes mircea_popescu and kakobrekla best of luck resolving it in shareholders' best interests.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:49:06; mircea_popescu: "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
phf: mircea_popescu: 50% non-transferable shares split between owners, about 301btc in profit?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:47:54; asciilifeform: phf: from rereading the logz, seems like mircea_popescu admits this, even.
phf: mircea_popescu: jurov pointed out the error of my ways, but i believe that i might've accomplished what i was fumbling for already
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:23:52; asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would rather burn it than let it go to hitler.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432816 << it is not mircea_popescu 's call to make. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. I have suspicions on how this could be done, but... given the necessary ugliness in this sort of brokering solrodar's bid seems awfully cheap.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:02:38; asciilifeform: jurov: i suspect that if you were to suggest to mircea_popescu that a group of lordz could, or ought to, make a collective decision, he would break out in hives and barf
mircea_popescu: 4/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_4_53927 )
solrodar: mircea_popescu would continue to hold them in trust, and agree to pay them out in accordance with my ajudication, unless that ajudication was rejected by (say) 10 people currently in assbot's L1
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:20:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432065 << if you wish to help the receiver along through donating all/part of the work in a publicly verifiable manner, that is your privilege and i am sure will be appreciated by the beneficiaries who they may be.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
jurov: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 17:17:04; mircea_popescu: i'm a masochist like that.
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 17:15:50; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, by the time the 4th txn trying to pay out bitbet vanished without a trace, i was sort-of expecting it.
BingoBoingo: I thought a mircea_popescu had gurlz to do that.
asciilifeform: a mircea_popescu - can remove the ticks.
asciilifeform: phf: from rereading the logz, seems like mircea_popescu admits this, even. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has on some occasions mentioned actually having phriends in meatspace.
asciilifeform: but i will point out, i see this entire story (the bbet meltdown) though 'shoemaker' eyes, and i never had any idea, whether jurov and kako were part of mircea_popescu's actual inner circle, i.e. folks who actually move serious coin around, privy to how mpb works, physically met his intelligence agents, etc. or not.
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu would rather burn it than let it go to hitler. ☟︎
asciilifeform: for mircea_popescu to admit that he elbowed a button and crashed the tank ?
asciilifeform: jurov: i suspect that if you were to suggest to mircea_popescu that a group of lordz could, or ought to, make a collective decision, he would break out in hives and barf ☟︎
jurov: for me that question boils down to judge deciding if mircea_popescu acted in good faith or not acc. to agreement.. which is likely not a good thing
asciilifeform: so either trinque has to accept that v is demonstrably worthless, or to buy into mircea_popescu's 'non-quantifiable' category, or the like.
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu was the one with the +inf.
asciilifeform: jurov: not in mircea_popescu's planet !
asciilifeform: jurov: do you recall that thread where i asked mircea_popescu to tally up what, e.g., 'v' was worth to him, in money ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:21:42; mircea_popescu: the latter part come at an end at some point last year, when he asked to have it included in the cost structure. i pointed out to him then that if i correspondingly add my expenses in, we might as well close it.
asciilifeform: that is, as i understand, mircea_popescu's 'bbet consumed megatonnes of grade-A mptronium which i supplied at no cost, and now people expect be to also put in coin for phree?!'
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 19:34:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> << just how deeply in the red ~was~ bbet, if we consider this ..? << i dunno man, how much for a night with my slave of your choice ? for me she'll do it for free, you she will not even consider. and this speaks to phf's and other's q as to why assets weren't on the books since they can be trivially enumerated : yes they can be ; but they can't be VALUED. what's the accounting value of
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:23:03; mircea_popescu: solrodar mno. you may not realise this, but bitbet has to date clocked close to 2k hours of admin time. and this is pointedly not minimum wage sort of work.
jurov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_parliamentary_election,_2016#Results you can use this, for example
jurov: mircea_popescu: it does show seats, but in some HTML5 presentation
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2016 03:45:55; mircea_popescu: there's a graph, it doesn't touch 1bn.
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 03:18:27; mircea_popescu: in more practical news - jurov here's one for you. https://bitbet.us/bet/1247/parties-smer-sd-and-sns-to-win-supermajority-in/ is to be resolved. problem is the res source gives vote % and not a word re seats, and the bet is re seats.
asciilifeform: now, i cannot pay what these fine massages from mircea_popescu costs. but if he were not fond of giving them for free, i would have to forgo the massages.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my offer to actually pay what that thing costs, stands.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is horrible ! but was the pill suggested in the trilema bbet article.
asciilifeform: (and not only mircea_popescu , but i think many folks swallowed them in one pill)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it melded into one in your head with the DER encoding thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mircea_popescu described the high-S thing as noncontroversial << wasn't that the other one ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i believe it.
kakobrekla: PeterL re the solution i proposed shortly after the disaster, see footnote for explanation http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/#footnote_3_65290
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: iirc it is specifically mircea_popescu's position that not-this.
assbot: 12 results for 'from:mircea_popescu deficit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+deficit
asciilifeform: !s from:mircea_popescu deficit
assbot: 1 results for 'from:mircea_popescu tmsr deficit' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+tmsr+deficit
asciilifeform: !s from:mircea_popescu tmsr deficit
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:23:03; mircea_popescu: solrodar mno. you may not realise this, but bitbet has to date clocked close to 2k hours of admin time. and this is pointedly not minimum wage sort of work.
asciilifeform: fwiw, i actually thought that mircea_popescu & kakobrekla's original proposed solution was spiffy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu described the high-S thing as noncontroversial, but for some reason it did not alarm him that miners could agree on something which theoretically leads to dropping PERFECTLY VALID TX on the floor ?!
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a failure of my puny brain, but i am at a loss as to what assurance mircea_popescu could possibly have had, and from whom, that there is not a prb vermin between mpb-net and the miner.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not actually my business how mircea_popescu transmits his tx, but since he chose to present the bbet matter in the tmsr public forum, rather than limiting it to folks 'whose business it is', i will say, that the mpb (client and network both) is a serious ?????? in the story. i have nfi how it works, and imho it actually matters for making sense of the observations.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:40:42; mircea_popescu: why is that, if the question's not too presumptuous ?
asciilifeform: but if mircea_popescu signed a statement that he transmits directly to the miners, and has no doubt that this is so, because he ran the cable himself, i will believe...
phf: mircea_popescu: not from what you just said about you and kako paying out of the pocket
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the bbet event suggested that there was at least one layer of prb between mircea_popescu and the miners.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is synthesis from earlier threads where you stated that yes, there are sybils, but your octopus of mpb connecting to various trusted folks, incl. over crypted links, is not sybilable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you not say the words "mircea_popescu having a notion that he knows how to avoid connecting through them to the minerz" ?
asciilifeform: well if mircea_popescu demonstrated the logic whereby miner collusion is a necessary hypothesis, vs sybils alone, i must have slept through it ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 18:39:24; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and possibly he is now cured of it. <<< amusingly - quite on the contrary! ~you~ had that notion, and appeared to stick to it even in the face of my pointing out that this arrangement is not stable, and only the miners could possibily be running the show.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 12:19:57; mircea_popescu: ahaha ok pretty good.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2016 21:30:36; pete_dushenski: last one was nigh on two years ago now : http://www.contravex.com/2014/04/07/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
phf: so a clarification to what i said above, it's kakobrekla and mircea_popescu together paying for all aspects of bitbet operation out of pocket
asciilifeform: but what there also was, was mircea_popescu having a notion that he knows how to avoid connecting through them to the minerz
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu wondered where the sybils.
asciilifeform: i must agree with phf. and i think this is how nubbins` ended up killfiled by mircea_popescu, for the 'i speak for trees, for the trees have no tongues' thing. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is the one stuck driving the grim bulldozer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only you.
mircea_popescu: and in other fema camp news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1cg3b5ECz1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but thus far i don't see how the bet is difficult to resolve. the presumption is that the game was legit, no? barring actual proof of shenanigans ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did you read the 4th game ?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 17:16:26; mircea_popescu: much as in the case of a recent game of go - what exactly would it being clear or unclear to you do ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, it was, in the copies, a mega-l0l quite comparable to the false asceticism of medieval monks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was an observation, rather than prescription, i am noting that you are doing a megatonne of unplesant wurk for phree.
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, the only chance of it resolving cleanly involves mircea_popescu doing a multitude of 'things for phree' which is one of the reasons he is in none too happy a mood.
asciilifeform: anyway, i am not involved with any of this, and for very good reasons (see mircea_popescu's explanation.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must confess, i was never on tardtalk, etc. and have very limited experience with this item. but i think i know what it is, from logz
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:36:05; mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of people who, however poor may they be irl, are still not driven by the poverty so to speak.
mircea_popescu: !up peter_lambert
solrodar: mircea_popescu: as I understand the listing agreement, both you and kakobrekla need to agree before either of you can sell your joint 50%
phf: mircea_popescu: hey some people clearly want to see blood. i think judgement should exclusively affect only people's wot ratings and is necessary for when the issue is complicated and needs an investigation. sort of like a write up that supreme court judges do. nobody even needs to agree with it
assbot: Logged on 07-03-2016 16:13:22; mircea_popescu: by all means. hence, " and if there's a single icann in the lot with enough actual gumption to put together a hostile takeover package, i'll certainly consider it."
solrodar: I think the real problem here is not the solvency or otherwise of bitbet, but the fact that mircea_popescu and kakobrekla have had a breakdown in trust and no longer want to work with each other
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mean, from purely technical point of view, i think i have sufficient brain, but if it became known that i have the ignition keys to xxx btc in my house, i will last maybe a day before gestapo.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:35:22; mircea_popescu: (mp, myself, maybe ascii)