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trinque: I'm going
to just buy one of
these fuckers and pitch in
nubbins`: potential for wasted effort if
the chosen os won't fit into eeprom down
the road
trinque: danielpbarron: busybox is made for
tight spaces
danielpbarron: right, but i'm just offering alternatives
to ArchLinux (which is also on disk)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron we want os on
the disk like we want wallets on windows.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 23:14:45; danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on
the pogo?
danielpbarron: oh, i guess
the reason no gentoo was
the kernel and userland are bigger; but if it's not going into
the eeprom gentoo should work
jurov: i can do C/system programming fine but gotta pay bills... stepped aside from
this for now
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone listening would like
to
try his hand at "make your fave os 128mb in eeprom"...
nubbins`: consider
the statement suitably modified
mircea_popescu: nubbins`
the 128mb is
the reason none of
this flies.
they all crawl so far.
nubbins`: but afaik
there's no reason, say, gentoo wouldn't fly
nubbins`: arch, fwiw, has
the most available documentation re: installing on pogoplug
mircea_popescu: so basically, i surmise, we'd have liked a clean "os in eeprom, data on disk" arrangement, but it seems we're not actually capable
to do
this, and so as a backstop you
tried a few oses
to go on disk
danielpbarron: ascii was looking at netbsd for a
time;
there was some bug where it couldn't see
the nand, plus we discovered nasty
things about netbsd in general
danielpbarron: i was holding out for
the
thing
that gets installed in
the eeprom
mircea_popescu: gotta go with an os brewed by someone with some experience so as
to have at least a fighting chance
the whole
thing works.
mircea_popescu: dude
this "let's
try pluging
things see what happens" approach only works if you actually
test, and you're not
tooled for
the mindboggling
thing
this
testing would be.
danielpbarron: but
the dynamic bitcoind wouldn't work on it;
this may be resolved with
the "new bitcoind 32 bit"
danielpbarron: so far i've gotton both debian and archlinux
to work on a pogo
mircea_popescu: but iirc, a lot of valuable effort went into selecting and pepraring
the os. what do you mean "it could be debian" ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? << yeah. we'll put
that at
the
top of
the list.
mircea_popescu: "which happened
to run on a magically garbage collected computor
that doens't exist anymore"
nubbins`: the avionics systems haven't failed since last
time, so we're pretty sure it may be fixed
mircea_popescu: they get it from a dead drop or something, and well, whatever. go
to conferences.
mircea_popescu: basically,
this would be prima facie evidence
that
the code
the power rangers sign has very little
to do with
them.
mircea_popescu: they
think "it may be fixed" because "anectodally" it doesn't seem
to have displayed
the behaviour.
danielpbarron: well i didn't start it from scratch; I copied .bitcoin from
the sata one
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> i also had one going
that was using a USB3 stick -- stopped it after a week or so when it was clearly way
too slow <<< how far'd you get?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 15:07:01; mod6: anyway, it certainly is a goal
to support x32. it'll just be in
the next release.
this has been dragging out
too long.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron everything's becoming obsolete eventually. but no,
this isn't
that.
danielpbarron: i mean, is
the pogo being 32 bit a bigger problem? like is 32 bit becoming obsolete or something?
danielpbarron: i was lead
to believe
that getting it
to work on 32 bit wasn't
that big of a deal, just low priority
mircea_popescu: mod6 so
the emerging problem here is
that while i said "ok"
to 64 bit only foundation bitcoind, it
turns out when need 32 bit support for our own fucking projects, which notably is
the pogo.
mircea_popescu: o fucking hell check out
the gross mismanagement i managed
to bless
the world with.
trinque: it would appear
to be 32bit arm
danielpbarron: idk if
this also means it won't work on pogo or what
danielpbarron: i
tried
to build it for my gentoo laptop and it errored out
mircea_popescu: so
then
the master here becomes, arch as per ascii, static as per current foundation release.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron can you
try it ? on a like... 3rd pogo ?
nubbins`: bbl supper but quite interested in getting
this sorted
trinque: danielpbarron: you can use localmodconfig for
that
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so basically, you put archlinux according
to ascii_field's brew on
the pogo, and
then compiled a static foundation bitcoind and loaded
that up, and
that's what we have now ?
danielpbarron: i
think another unsolved problem is
that we don't know how
to compile a linux kernel
that works
danielpbarron: easier yes, in
that i don't know any alternatives
that work yet
danielpbarron: and
then later i found a guide for debian, but
the bitcoind was still dynamic and wouldn't work on it
danielpbarron: there was already a guide written for getting it
to work on arch
nubbins`: find any forum
thread anywhere about pogoplugs being sold at
these prices, most of
the responses are "!!!!!!!!!"
nubbins`: nobody who can't follow some simple instructions
to flash nand down
the road and reclaim
their SD card is gonna buy one anyway
nubbins`: if it's got a real version of bitcoind
that works enough
to use, all
the better
nubbins`: all else aside, owning one of
these pogos is an opportunity
BingoBoingo: Well,
the pogo hardware was never marketed with multithreading
nubbins`: if we're
talking about a "pogo node" as a kit
that one can purchase, i
think, it's fine
to start with w/e distro, booting from SD, skull-and-crossbones patches, w/e
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im gonna unwind
this
thing cause i
think it ran into a problem.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so archlinux ? what happened
to netbsd or w/e ?!
mircea_popescu: "dude, get into
this
thing you're great for it pays excellent" "oh, i do ok... and i know what food costs." "listen
to me... you're not supposed
to know what food costs."
danielpbarron: especially with food costing what it does
these days
danielpbarron: good
to know
there are other options; i woudln't mind supplementing my income
danielpbarron: i move millions of dollars worth of stuff over
the course of a month or
two
nubbins` did well enough at
this in uni
to get pulled into strange prof's office for praise once
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how fucking ~rare~ an actual
talent for
technical writing is ?
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> would have
to be shipped with SD card already configured if
the end user is
to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it <<<
that is actually preferable for almost everyone who would buy
this
mircea_popescu: no but
this nut's fucking
talented, look at
this
thing.
nubbins`: ^
truth sauce, almost
took
this up as a career
mircea_popescu: stop wasting your
time with whatever. you have any idea what shortage is for
these ?
danielpbarron: would have
to be shipped with SD card already configured if
the end user is
to just plug in a hard drive and forget about it