asciilifeform: at any rate, i'll summarize for the impatient. according to sachs, snowden heap was lifted. but under cia (his original and actual employer) direction. and then carefully selected.

asciilifeform: no one has, afaik, seen it fit to refute any of it.

asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.

asciilifeform: and that details of -specific- compromises, clearly apparent from context in some of the docs, were scrubbed

asciilifeform: nubbins`: that's your 'incredulity immune system' healthily working

asciilifeform: it shuffled in and was permitted to spread, to lend credibility to the rest of the pile.

asciilifeform: but came from the other fella

asciilifeform: recall that the nsa devices catalogue was -not- a snowden leak

asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest

asciilifeform: and fits the known facts more tightly than anything else i've encountered

asciilifeform: the story, to the extent it can be checked out, checks out.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i don't give a damn if he claims to be a martian

asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile to real dissidents. For example, Assange grossly insults anyone who does not believe the absurd US gov story about 11 Sep 2001 - which no serious person believes. Assange insults the thousands of architects, engineers, US military and intelligence veterans, who continually describe how the 'official story' is a fraud. '

asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'

asciilifeform: i have a few wifi devices. the radio is definitely the bottleneck.

asciilifeform: what even was this

asciilifeform: nubbins`: whatever it was, was probably referring to 'ad hoc mode'

asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)

asciilifeform: 'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, despite his being the 'owner' of 'tens of thousands' of 'Snowden stolen espionage documents'. When of course if 'Snowden' was not a CIA operation, all American hell would be loose against Omidyar, Greenwald and the rest, targeting their assets and persons on US territory.'

asciilifeform: nubbins`: where was this ?

asciilifeform: i was half-expecting that my 10 would exhaust the supply

asciilifeform: i wonder how many one could get at the list price

asciilifeform: which type

asciilifeform: it's only a 'struggle' if they're both still moving.

asciilifeform: though 'war' is very much the wrong term, just as 'fight' is not a correct word for what happens between the corresponding two types of kid in the playground

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1043648 << thread where mircea_popescu illuminates the war between cia and nsa ☝︎

asciilifeform: and if 'the real snowden' ever stood up to refute the 'fake' - i never heard of such.

asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?

asciilifeform: 'The CIA-Snowden fraud was, to a degree, a semi-brilliant scam, even though it is now falling apart. On the surface, it seems anyone talking about these awful NSA activities 'must be genuine' - Few people considered what else Snowden was saying. When he moves out of an extremely narrow channel of CIA-scripted 'NSA revelations', Snowden's agenda is to be a slimy, sleazy salesman...'

asciilifeform: what would it take ?

asciilifeform: did turn up one more, http://www.banned-in-america.net/david-e-rosenbaum-murdered.html

asciilifeform: almost enough to nail down the thesis that yandex lifts results straight from google

asciilifeform: Vexual: i also did not see the latest gas vortex on jupiter.

asciilifeform: https://www.indymedia.nl/en/2011/07/77181.shtml << more or less the only other mention i was able to find of him.

asciilifeform: seems like somebody worked overtime to replace most of these with a set of 'benign' 'he's a nutter' results

asciilifeform: fella linked to a page full of 'removed' instead of search results, for his name

asciilifeform: but the notification itself was removed.

asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.'

asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.

asciilifeform: 'The two richest men in America, my Harvard classmate Bill Gates whom I met as a boy, and Warren Buffett, were both quite threatened when they were acting too independently of America's ruling consensus. Legal action - by America's bribed, extorted judges and regulators - menaced them both. As each backed down and became more submissive to US policies, the threatened legal and regulatory actions against them evaporated.'

asciilifeform: ity. The central role of the US judge-lawyer mafia, is the reason over 1 million Americans have become lawyers in what is the developed world's most abusive, corrupt legal system. Though many American lawyers are now unemployed or low-income, they often became lawyers in the first place, because they hoped for at least a junior role in the US courtroom mafia, with a licence to steal the wealth of others.'

asciilifeform: 'The American cult of judicial corruption - central tool of America's 'Deep State' government mafia - is not well known, because experts on it - like myself - are 'erased' from internet searches, with US judges directly 'ordering' Google to censor evidence and journalism about their crimes. The world is instead deceived and fooled by the image of US courts in Hollywood movies and on Google search results - hiding the grim real

asciilifeform: many other stimulating tidbits.

asciilifeform: 'Carmen Ortiz is reminded that two other female prosecutors, Thelma Colbert and Shannon Ross, were both found dead after opposing Bush family interests. Ortiz is asked if she would like to be the 3rd dead female prosecutor.'

asciilifeform: 'Advance CIA side of old CIA-NSA territory dispute in US government, in favour of CIA more traditionally allied with US wealthy ruling families; achieving goal of limiting NSA powers, which had become felt as a general threat (blackmail) and even financial threat (insider trading) to US leading families.'

asciilifeform: 'Helping identify and destroy genuine US / UK / Nato leakers, duping them into trusting fake 'brave reporters' for Snowden (CIA-backed Greenwald, Guardian, NYT), then these media help CIA to silence, destroy, extort, kill any real whistleblowers - leakers - dissidents.'

asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'

asciilifeform: 'NSA 'revelations' of liar-poseur Snowden, were chosen because (a) not really new (b) superficially fascinating, adding lustre to CIA media (c) mass-media exposure does not inhibit surveillance, and adds terror to those aware of it, adding to CIA-NSA success...'

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << http://homment.com/3K3xdsYD7a << reads like nuttery at first, but all of the factual claims as far as i could verify are - factual... if you can't bring yourself to grind it, have someone do it