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mircea_popescu: for a government to survive, it must actually have support.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband.
asciilifeform: because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker
mircea_popescu: trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes,
asciilifeform: who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg.
trinque: seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him"
mircea_popescu: you think that matters ?
mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ?
mircea_popescu: familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ?
mircea_popescu: let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ?
mircea_popescu: there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job.
asciilifeform: the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway.
mircea_popescu: i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ?
asciilifeform: and what, they are to go broke from paving a street?
mircea_popescu: they had to demolish a street ?
asciilifeform: where are the -real- cracks in the reich
trinque: maybe the ratio's irrelevant
mircea_popescu: trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him.
trinque: and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not
asciilifeform: show me the stalingrad
mircea_popescu: trinque no. the street was in fact demolished.
trinque: isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care?
asciilifeform: say i'm a generic schmuck living in berlin in march, this day in '43
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev.
mircea_popescu: ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters".
mircea_popescu: maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me
mircea_popescu: major losses for teh usg.
asciilifeform: we in fact saw this play out
mircea_popescu: there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name.
asciilifeform: they'd demolish the street where you stood.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd work about as well here as it would in peak nazi de
mircea_popescu: cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station.
asciilifeform: and trained decently.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality"
mircea_popescu: but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss
mircea_popescu: yes, if you must do that, wear vest might work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security.
asciilifeform: what is one to do, wear trotyl vest ?
asciilifeform: if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up
mircea_popescu: this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out.
asciilifeform: as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker
mircea_popescu: swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all.
mircea_popescu: the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
mircea_popescu: it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge"
asciilifeform: so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like?
mircea_popescu: because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ?
mircea_popescu: and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments.
mircea_popescu: if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual.
asciilifeform: who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for
asciilifeform: the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces
mircea_popescu: sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento.
asciilifeform: and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed
asciilifeform: it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep
mircea_popescu: this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting.
mircea_popescu: if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about.
mircea_popescu: the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used".
mircea_popescu: people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs.
asciilifeform: say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought'
mircea_popescu: as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
mircea_popescu: and there's more directions.
mircea_popescu: imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen.
asciilifeform: but let's address the van.
mircea_popescu: NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you.
mircea_popescu: the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women.
asciilifeform: but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually'
mircea_popescu: so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me.
mod6: huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb.
asciilifeform: it almost begins to
mircea_popescu: while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere
mircea_popescu: BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you,
mircea_popescu: now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space.
mircea_popescu: they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them.
mircea_popescu: suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them.
asciilifeform: if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's what i mean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean?
asciilifeform: and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too.
mircea_popescu: back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
asciilifeform: yes, they could.
asciilifeform: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ?
asciilifeform: i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes
mircea_popescu: to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cables << what do those have to do with snowden ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol anyone told him he's poor yet ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all.
assbot: Tone It Down. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf3XDV )
mircea_popescu: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO"
mircea_popescu: "Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao