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kakobrekla: ben_vulpes ?
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ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: 2016?!
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i just finally barfed.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 16:15:45; ascii_butugychag: btw i hope everybody understands that life with 'v' is always going to resemble dark age blood sports like cvs, etc. far more than modern greased poles (e.g., 'git')
nubbins`: pete_dushenski funny enough, no diet
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No. The most recent thing They've attached the name to in the US is clearly not actually a Miata. I'm not invested enough in the question though to make a hard determination on when the newer vehicles stopped becoming miatas
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's just a shame they've stopped making new Miatas
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The miata's just one of those vehicles that looks worse than it should because of poor aesthetic direction on other motor vehicles
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if tomorrow mircea_popescu decides that i am an imbecile and never speaks to me again, i will build exactly same items. and even offer him free sample!
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu>let me point out to you that bitbet came down over my realisation that this is how you lot think. stop fucking thinking like this before i have to cut more heads. <<< or, put another way, "stfu talking dangerous talk, alf, or s.nsa is next"
asciilifeform: it is because mircea_popescu invited me. and i only stayed because he works with me on planeteering tech.
asciilifeform: (e.g., i never saw the ' mircea_popescu ought to personally eat the expense ' angle )
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>apparently all of us but mircea_popescu are idiots ? << you just now realizing?
asciilifeform: i like mircea_popescu because he's a fella who tips pencils.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1st thing that always gets raised, when you raise a crowd, is its opinion of self.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on this i must agree. it ~was~ ill-specified
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know you could kick him.
asciilifeform: apparently all of us but mircea_popescu are idiots ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 19:51:30; hanbot: <jurov> and it did not use that to settle later claims << so when actual operator error occurred, mircea_popescu ate it, and your reaction is basically "hey, if he can pay for that, he should pay for this unrelated problem too! let's him pay for everything!", and this amidst weeks of bitching about "bad faith"?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i argued self into the position that the original system was ill-defined
hanbot: <jurov> and it did not use that to settle later claims << so when actual operator error occurred, mircea_popescu ate it, and your reaction is basically "hey, if he can pay for that, he should pay for this unrelated problem too! let's him pay for everything!", and this amidst weeks of bitching about "bad faith"? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has said that he intends to play the 'all coin is fungible and unidentifiable ' etc. game. which is fine. but what i don't grasp is how it is possible to craft hard record of debt and repayment without some hook on which to hang them.
asciilifeform: but my understanding is that mircea_popescu and kakobrekla deliberately did not build it this way
trinque: now if kakobrekla and mircea_popescu disagree on this point... here we are!
asciilifeform: davout: but say the 1st tx went into dev/null as mircea_popescu intended it to when sending the 2nd. would the bettors have been wronged ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski any idea what talmud says about all this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though oddly enough he was arguing your side of the medal !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can safely skip the preceding thread, it is a nubsism
PeterL: <asciilifeform> but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned. << If I did want to return part of doublespend, where would I send it and be sure MP does not just pocket it?
asciilifeform: i ask 'gimme back me sword, mircea_popescu '
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc.
asciilifeform: but if any of them had seen it fit to return so much as one satoshi of the doublesend - i assume mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, or davout would have mentioned.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you neither know, nor need to.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: monkeys accomplish plenty. just not anything you would want.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see thread. bbet is already doing many 'other things', from which there is no escape.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes see under 'misc' http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-february-2015-statement/ and http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-march-2015-statement/
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu issued a receipt and all
asciilifeform: so what then does ben_vulpes give as argument re why the double-send should not count against the obligations remaining ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how do brokers enter into anything ?
davout: ben_vulpes: do elaborate
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who share privkeys create schizo synthetic monsters, a la gox, and are hostis humani generis.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: broker?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes go through the log, it's argued.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the stop drinking thing was a rather substantive change in the usual. I think reduced the N in my SNR, but I'm not entirely sure.
davout: mircea_popescu: i can make one
asciilifeform: briefly back to mega-thread, i ~very much see the appeal~ of mircea_popescu's 'cold equations, motherfuckers!' angle.
davout: btw, is mircea_popescu in a position to transfer the bitbet.us domain?
asciilifeform: say i owe mircea_popescu 100 btc
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 15:37:30; mircea_popescu: the result is that your dream diverges from reality by that much, and it's not clear breaches OF THAT NATURE can ever be healed.
asciilifeform: at least after mircea_popescu made public the tx ids.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the christians called it 'sloth'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: but it is not my place to tell mircea_popescu (or davout , who in this case is holding the scalpel ) exactly how.
asciilifeform: take a stand. it is one of the things i always appreciated about mircea_popescu !11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not rightfully have a firm enough grip on harem to answer.
asciilifeform momentarily stunned by mircea_popescu being confessedly unsure of something!1111
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well these are connected, no ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 15:03:51; mircea_popescu: "the simplest"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:06:24; mircea_popescu: anyway, take it from a software design perspective. you are proposing to change the stateless parser (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (bet paid out) into a stateful and undefined (bet accepted) -> (bet resolved) -> (???) -> (some thing paid according to some rules you can't know)
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:56:37; mircea_popescu: fine, if you absolutely must : suppose owner made an agreement with a third party that the nth txn goes to x and the nth+1 goes to y. are they now bound to revise their agreements on the basis of how you may wish to liberally reinterpret the protocol ?
asciilifeform: i would like to smoke the necessary dope to see mircea_popescu's pov here, where the scum who got paid twice had the temerity to whine about delayed payouts while sitting on their unearned windfall, but then somehow deserve to be paid a THIRD TIME
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:51:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438364 << and you're going to ask the fellow to submit proof that he didn't... sell the address ? or etc ?
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu drinking on the job?!??!!
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 14:20:36; mircea_popescu: solrodar there's no bitcoin precedent of "unjust enrichment", and if it is introduced it applies first of all to all miners.
davout: mircea_popescu: that way does sound like a good way!
davout: mircea_popescu: epic convo :D
solrodar: mircea_popescu: the bettors entered a contract with bitbet, then you, acting on bitbet's behalf, paid them too much by mistake. Even if there's no property in bitcoin, doesn't the existence of that contract allow you to introduce an argument of unjust enrichment?
davout: mircea_popescu: i guess i did when i said 'bettor'
davout: mircea_popescu: you haven't provided any support for the notion of "a fellow" that you introduced, or did i miss it?
solrodar: mircea_popescu: aren't you the one that always argues that there are no people, only keys? In which case there's nothing wrong with recovering money from keys. If the key is controlled by multiple people, that's their problem.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2016 13:51:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438364 << and you're going to ask the fellow to submit proof that he didn't... sell the address ? or etc ?
solrodar: so we say mircea_popescu controlled a large quantity of bitcoin, and had agreed to consider a certain quantity of it the property of bitbet, but that concept of property does not go beyond any agreement which may have existed between him and bitbet?