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asciilifeform: 2) study the package system. the dependencies of bitcoind would ideally be added as packages
asciilifeform: (virginal buildroot loads them -from the net- and afaik does not check signatures)
asciilifeform: 1) freezing the sourceballs in time
asciilifeform: anyway, the two most urgent items on the agenda for this thing are:
nubbins`: saveenv wat? haha, i booted into debian to fw_setenv ;/
decimation: shit no nevermind I was in the wrong terminal and accidently built on osx :)
asciilifeform: if you have serial port (or the netconsole thing set up)
nubbins`: <+cazalla> while i await danielpbarron's response, anyone want to suggest why the pogo flashes green after following his guide after a reboot? <<< i fucked up setting some of the fw_setenv parameters. you'll prolly need to serial into it, next time use fw_printenv to double check all your boot cmds before you commit
asciilifeform: decimation: because this is a buildrootism and has nothing to do with me
decimation: asciilifeform: sigh "../gnu/at-func.c: In function 'setxattrat': xattr-at.c:36:20: error: too few arguments to function 'setxattr' #define AT_FUNC_F1 setxattr" < I'm looking into it
trinque: asciilifeform: chewing through a gcc build atm, looks good so far
asciilifeform: Linux therealbitcoin 3.18.1-therealbitcoin.org #2 PREEMPT Sat Mar 28 22:09:20 EDT 2015 armv5tel GNU/Linux
asciilifeform: if i make it to the middle - i do it. otherwise, trying to leave enough of a record here for the next fella.
mircea_popescu: no, actually, this will be right in the middle of the war.
mircea_popescu: once you got the os, optimize hw for it.
asciilifeform: but this is for after the war.
mircea_popescu: oh. well that's what it being an os means he ?
asciilifeform: as in, a box that isn't used for anything else.
trinque: what's the derpiest unix like kernel this thing would build on?
mircea_popescu: making the code carved in stone is imo a bad move.
asciilifeform: easy to swap device, no ?
mircea_popescu: you may have to change it in a warzone.
mircea_popescu: i dunno i'd go for that
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... eventually the only thing bitcoind can be is an os.
trinque: I'd have to do some reading before I'm sure what I'd want
mircea_popescu: yeah it's not optimal, but he wanted to bolt it.
asciilifeform has been thinking about this for a long time.
asciilifeform did not like the lack of process separation inherent in it
asciilifeform also considered this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thinbk just plain weird.
trinque: is there some way to bolt a program directly to a kernel?
trinque: when it comes to how it might poke storage, no idea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've never done that much with it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is likely out of my league
mircea_popescu: yeah well, at the chestnut cafe, that.
asciilifeform: for the final solution.
mircea_popescu: wait, ada to compile a c environment ?!
asciilifeform: and not today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i certainly intend to sit bitcoin down on the metal. on possibly even this machine. but will probably use ada's spark bare metal for it.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << congrats on the pogotron, ascii!
trinque: uboot is basically grub for this thing, yeah?
trinque: I'm about certain this is beyond the scope of this evening or one six pack of beer
asciilifeform: this is roughly close in sweat level to an msdos port
mircea_popescu: so then not THAT big of a deal
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is, but the pogo is single core neh ?
asciilifeform: (bitcoind is threaded)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: missing any kind of i/o scheduler, or, more importantly, task slicer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform huge step forward from all the other people way in the back.
mircea_popescu: which is why i say trinque :)
trinque: interesting, I'll have to look into precisely what that'd mean
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought about this
mircea_popescu: not necessarily one we'll use, just to get the hang of it
asciilifeform: i am using the one i made.
asciilifeform: but i have not tested the one it makes
asciilifeform: ah and this thing builds uboot
asciilifeform: for those who don't know - 'buildroot' does -not- use your local crossdev tooling, should you have any
asciilifeform: doesn't nuke the compiler though, iirc
asciilifeform: (every time you change anything)
asciilifeform: one little warning - 'buildroot' is dumb as a rock, you will have to 'make clean all' just about every time
asciilifeform: i also eliminated all the standard crud that kernel wants to have by default - support for usb hid, mice, keyboards, framebuffers, and anything whatsoever whose purpose i did not know
asciilifeform: have not yet tested led or button.
decimation: I'll try on my rhel6 vm
asciilifeform: somebody at least build this plz.
asciilifeform: decimation: i only tried it on 4.8.x
trinque: but have working cross compilation tooling otherwise, which farts executibles agreeable to the pogo
asciilifeform: trinque: note that bitcoind is not included in this yet
decimation: ja but does it depend on particular gcc to bootstrap?
trinque: asciilifeform: I tried the crossdev compile of bitcoind and got as far as boost hell regarding bzip2
asciilifeform: it ought to run on any reasonable unix though
decimation: asciilifeform: was this run on your gentoo box?
asciilifeform: the cookbook is brutally terse, if any of it isn't obvious plz ask while i'm awake
trinque: asciilifeform: am meeting up with ben_vulpes and other friends tonight, and I'll bring along the pogo
decimation: I need to download one from amazon
asciilifeform: ^^^^^^ thing i promised mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2015#1068981 ☝︎
asciilifeform: should take about 20 min. on a typical box, to build the WHOLE ORCHESTRA
asciilifeform: tested the result, too
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decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/241-an-interview-with-chuck-peddle-charismatic-chipmaking-coryphaeus/ < chuck peddle claims in the middle of this 2.5 hour podcast that his new 'hybrid DRAM/FLASH ssd drive' contains 11 6502 uC's
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decimation: golden toilet lcd displays > http://www.apitech.com/product-classes/sst-emcon-tempest-monitors
decimation: the best approximation one can get as a civilian is to purchase FCC "class B" devices
decimation: but to get actual tempest shield request spending golden toilet money
asciilifeform: 'heavy metal case' is not the same as 'tempest shield' regardless of appearances
asciilifeform: shielded but for the keyboard, display..
decimation: asciilifeform: re: rf quiet pc < the original IBM AT came in a heavy metal case, fully shielded
asciilifeform: 927d52a91421ad608ceaf011e56aa91d18f478f81707a8774bc0cbdb146621f5118b35c640b376cdcaef206be98b520802f1f749e387b1b4876d6a6a0d080bd1 turdel-now-with-sata.gz
asciilifeform: boot time, from end of udev pause, is ~3 sec.
asciilifeform: yes, that weird sandisk.
asciilifeform: not size that matters so much
asciilifeform: chucked all the extra crud
mircea_popescu: hence a very cold reception to much younger men's ideas about "couldn't abstain"
mircea_popescu: men reach a certain age where the only way they're fucking anything is if that anything sucks them off first.
trinque: I heard lockheed martin is going to build the enterprise with a fusion reactor
mircea_popescu: get with the social media age alfie.
asciilifeform: so having a position on the matter feels odd
asciilifeform: can't speak for ben_vulpes, but no one came and asked me if the jets should be built
mircea_popescu: there's a reason that story of mine is set at a feast.
ben_vulpes: jets that fly like shitty helicopters and cost a bezzilion?
trinque: gorge til death!
trinque: inverse of "starve the beast"