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nubbins`: whether professionally or on
their own
time
nubbins`: but everybody who studies
the nature of consciousness is a crackpot
ben_vulpes: don't worry Adlai, nubbins` filters
the
true crackpots out
Adlai is a little suspicious of
the presentation screaming "we are crackpots! real scientists hate us!"
trinque: haha, yeah looks very interesting;
thank you
trinque: They interact with an internal model of
the external world –
the realm primus – and interpret
this interaction as experience of
the “real world”. << yeah, and for some people
that realm involves jesus and satan, others republicans and democrats
nubbins`: trinque i mean in
the general sense :D
Adlai: "complete model" = copy of
thing
that's being modelled, optionally with
the ability
to diddle, reset, etc
trinque: +nubbins` | "complete model" doesn't really make sense <<
thought I said
that
trinque: what's
the issue with saying some people have better strategies for interacting with reality
than others?
trinque: so yeah in
the abstract infinite regress right?
trinque: nubbins` | so if
there's a model
that contains models of all
the models << nobody's head has a complete model of anything
ben_vulpes: "you can't model
the universe with anything short of a universe."
ben_vulpes: nevertheless, minor errors in
the models will compound.
nubbins`: so if
there's a model
that contains models of all
the models
trinque: in
the head of a human, it most certainly is
ben_vulpes: "ah ah, mister! you can't get me
that easily! it's models all
the way out!"
trinque: sure, but
there's a model which says compare
the output of various models
Adlai worries less about production
than recognition / recollection
trinque: going further, it stands
to reason
that neither most nor many men can produce a model of reality
that works, in
that it deals with risk well and identifies reward
Adlai: the [fake plastic]
tree of liberty must be from
time
to
time refreshed with
the blood of scapegoats
ben_vulpes: de
toqueville wrote about it at length - 'the old regime and
the revolution' was
the
title of
the
translation i read
ben_vulpes: Adlai: french revolution is indeed a good
tale of
the hidden power structure (french bureaucracy)
toppling
the figureheads.
Adlai: he's in
touch with "his reality", by which i mean,
the reality of
the society in which he operates.
that society might be out of
touch with realreality, but
that doesn't require
the inside of
the bubble
to see what's without.
trinque: mircea_popescu:
this brings back
to mind what you said last night about making a clear distinction between natural law and
the purpose-driven "regulation" of human societies. I'm not in a position
to well articulate
this, so I'll just barf
this: it seems
the HN commenter in question is simply not in
touch with reality, and
there is nothing forcing him
to be, neither nature nor someone in charge of
Adlai: well
the french revolution did happen... or was it organized by
the new elite who got sick of wannabelite underclassmen-in-king's-clothing?
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous on
the face, of course, but hey. if
they understood
things
they wouldn't be underclass.
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially what it boils down
to is
the proposition
that
the underclass does not agree
the elite should have
the right
to opt out whatever redistribution system
they come up with.
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mircea_popescu: "how about you go be a
transsexual/gender confused/derpopotamus about Bitcoin
TOO,
then"
trinque: the relevance of
the
tumbler pic gets clearer and clearer
mircea_popescu: "so you mean
to
tell me now i don't get a say into how
the world works anymore, because back when i got
the benefit of
the doubt all i could do was being an idiot on reddit ?" "exactly"
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean, i can't own a pet only for
the portion where i wanna play with it, but not for
the portion where i have
to feed it and clean its cage ??!?!" "exactly"
mircea_popescu: "but we only want a say in
the
things we want a say in and only for
the part we want
to say something" "yeah well
that's not how
this works"
mircea_popescu: this idea
that most people "should" get a say in what happens
to
them... dude, if you do
that,
the same most people go "hey, i don't want
to be bothered reading 548958609 pages of
tax code,
to
then go have a hanging party for
the govt
that made it".
trinque: the knucklehead's from Oregon, represents well
the prevailing attitude
mircea_popescu: "Why does
that matter? Because people have a right
to democratic institutions. People have a right
to vote on or have a say in matters
that govern
their lives. Bitcoin, as it exists now,
takes
that away from people."
mircea_popescu: "The difference is,
the people whose behavior would be controlled have no say in changing
those economic assumptions. "
trinque: meh, it depends on how you slice it;
they chose
that way
ben_vulpes: in
the meantime, i
think i found
the x86_64 stuff
trinque: vs
they consider amd64
to be a separate architecture entirely
trinque: on
the page you're looking at,
the various ?86 builds are referring
to different compiler optimizations used, different libc, or security features being kicked on
trinque: ben_vulpes: make sure it all matches what you specified when you made
the vm
too
ben_vulpes: well now i'm wondering if i even got
the right stage 3
nubbins`: ben_vulpes actually i
think i used genkernel.
nubbins`: what page of
the handbook are you on
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm basically just walking
the list of processor
types in make menuconfig
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: when building your gentoo kernel did you use menuconfig, and if so did you run into errors along
the lines of "the cpu you selected does not support
the x86_64 instruction set"?
mircea_popescu: (iirc he's still wanted on "tax evasion", which is pretty much
the highest accolade of personal achievement
the empire can bestow on any free individual)
mircea_popescu: "i support america because if i didn't, you'd just
take it all anyway like putin
took X's. I'm no Soros."
mircea_popescu: part of
this is his complete neglect of investing in politics, which is why as a senile old man he's writing blanket checks
to
the government.
mircea_popescu: buffett is a success story in
the sense
that he managed, with skill and persistence,
to get fleeced LESS
than anyone else.
mircea_popescu: specifically because math is math, and
the
thing can't even keep up with itself.
mircea_popescu: which is why (in another, financial-based formulation)
the whole shebang's approaching event horizon.
mircea_popescu: conceivably you have
to make well over 50% per year
to keep up with
the bureaucracy inflation
that always doubles paper money inflation in a command economy.
mircea_popescu: fact is, for
the past half century, inflation was about 10`000%
total.
mircea_popescu: and it would go exactly with
the exact same 100x you'd get looking at health care.
mircea_popescu: goes splendidly with
the 100x i extracted from real estate and
the 100x i extracted from education.
mircea_popescu: back when
this shit was starting, late 70s/early 80s, a VC partner needed
to keep an eye on about 500k - 1mn worth of equity.
mircea_popescu: but
THAT is
the
true measure of inflation : what VCs find "not worth
their
time".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski and amusingly,
this is a very indicative symptom of
the problem. if "inflation didn't exist" and all
this created value, people would care as much about 10 bucks now as 50 years ago. hey, it's a lunch.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah k, markets are efficient. anglosphere hasn't seen a market in many decades, if indeed it did
this century.
pete_dushenski: and now
the 'crowdfunding' cap is 50 mn bezzlars because
the command economy doesn't do nickels and dimes worth a shit
mircea_popescu: ethereum
through and
through "technologees" you can't even short because nobody actually bought. because no actual market, because no actual anything
there.
mircea_popescu: well, not
the sort of people liable
to go "hey, what ever became of
the coinapult / feedzebirds / whatervs".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, silbert is a guy who wants
to get his name associated with
the space, ver is a meanwhile broke dude who imagines
that if he keeps being mentioned he stays relevant, as if, and voorhees just wants
to keep his name in
the press lest people forget.
cazalla: i live 5 min from an aussie cadbury factory, you'd
think you'd be able
to smell whatever
they make
there but nothing
mircea_popescu: what is
the market ? look at all
these
two bit "serial entrepreneurs" with
their constant start-ups. how often is
the news item "previous start-up of X did something" vs "new start-up of X got so many in lolfunding from a) people who wish
to be in
this press release and b) people he owes money
to from
the past, and we're not mentioning
that past" ?"
mircea_popescu: as long as we're
ticking off words off wordlists we might not even bother with
the industry at all.
pete_dushenski: which
they do, and since it's been so long since
they've had anything resembling chocolate,
the imitation stuff works
mircea_popescu: "we have 500 people and 200 fish" "cut fish open, insert 2.5x
time
their weight of dirt, sew back
together"
mircea_popescu: heck,
the solution of renaming
the homeless
to "Solve" "the homeless problem" is exactly cosubstantial with how command economies "solve problems".
pete_dushenski: as long as
the press release says "happy
troops appreciate reminders of home"