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ben_vulpes: 1cm doesn't make sense in
that 1 cm is huge if close and
tiny if far away
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes because arc seconds don't actually matter in
this discussion.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> listen
to me, never read
text not > 1 cm
tall. << why aren't you
talking about arc-seconds?!
ascii_field: it is only moderately difficult
to build a variant which does not.
ascii_field: the
tool which mats linked
to requires having source, yes
ascii_field: that's not called industry,
that is called 'psych ward'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not
these jobs.
these jobs are about
the narrative in
the "worker's" head.
mircea_popescu: for
the record,
this seems
to me disqualifyingly dumb.
ascii_field: and yes,
to me - jobs are about something.
mircea_popescu: "Heartbleed is a read buffer overflow. What
that means is
that an application is reading outside
the boundaries of a buffer. For example, imagine an application has a space in memory
that's 10 bytes long. If
the software
tries
to read 20 bytes from
that buffer, you have a read buffer overflow."
mircea_popescu: i suppose
this may be
the issue, i classify culturally, ie, by
the beast's mental excrement. ascii_field you prolly classify by some sort of "what
the job is". as if jobs actually are about something.
mircea_popescu: (for a real world example,
the derp with
the btctc exchange is certainly a victim)
mircea_popescu: people coming out of any of
them come out with
the same sorts of "ideas"
mircea_popescu: the "spam farms" and
the monkey-on-a-stick farms where microsoft code is actuallywritten, and
this stuff... really, what's
the difference ?
ascii_field: jurov: spam farms is what mircea_popescu might have
thought i was speaking of
jurov: "i was
told in no uncertain
terms
that
there were no females" was about which occupation
then?
mircea_popescu: "Court records say
the laughing men initially
tried
to use a broomstick for
the deed, which was videotaped on a cell phone. But
then one of
them said, “I have something better” and retrieved a chorizo sausage from
the station’s refrigerator,
the records say."
mats: instrumenting
tool e.g. afl plus qemu
ascii_field: but
there are productive approaches
that don't reduce
to pure brute strength
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 20:07:39; ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily
to cram as much
text on
the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape
ascii_field suspects a 'national' variation in
terminology
mircea_popescu: the
thing where you use scripts is bruteforce i guess. ripper-it
ascii_field: this practice is
traditionally called 'fuzzing'
ascii_field: normally
they forgo
the meat robots and use scripts
mircea_popescu: but i say
the pigs make ham. as
that one butcher observed, "i only follow
the lines already
there"
☟︎ ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in
the address field' etc
☟︎ mircea_popescu: oh,
then yes we were
thinking of very different
things.
mircea_popescu: you hire a huge
team of
those and cut
the job up
to
them
ascii_field: aha mircea_popescu was
thinking of
testers/qa.
ascii_field: if it's one
that includes gurlz
to any detectable extent,
then almost certainly
mircea_popescu: how would 0day slave distinguish between what he's
told he's doing (unit
testing) and what he's actually doing ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu -might- be
thinking of a different profession
than i was
ascii_field: virtually
the whole motivation comes from 'what if -i- catch
the big one'
ascii_field: for what it's worth, my hypothesis for
the maleness of
the profession is
that it is
the very epitome of greenspun's
tournamentmarket
mircea_popescu: yeah but you need
to know / learn a shitload more
to do
this
than
to wipe
the
table / put
the pin in
the hole.
ascii_field: the next slave will notice what you missed, is
the notion
mircea_popescu: the argument i always hear is, "dudes have no focus and can't be
trusted
to pay
the fuck attention"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: let's phrase it
this way - my circle 3 degrees out includes perhaps a
thousand such slaves, and i was
told in no uncertain
terms
that
there were no females.
mircea_popescu: these are
the
three female professions.
the differences within
them are minute.
ascii_field: i have yet
to meet, or even hear of, any females in
that business other
than
the
two or
three world-famous ones
mircea_popescu: yes. because
this is for "girl
think she's pretty" and
those for "girl
thinks she's smart".
ascii_field: but between looking for 0days and
these
two items - yes, difference
mircea_popescu: at
the level we're discussing here,
there's really no difference between working as " gawker vp of pr" or working as "candi19874 on myfreewebcams". srsly.
ascii_field: assuming
that is what mircea_popescu was
thinking of
mircea_popescu: the sortage is generally, "whether she
thinks she's pretty", "whether she
thinks she's smart"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
there are quite likely more women in
the deep-water oceanic oil prospecting industry
than in vuln digging
mircea_popescu: one is working
the pick-n-placers.
the other's working
the masturbatrons.
the
third's you know, "using her head", as in,
this fuzzer,
that fuzzer...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
there's exactly
three
things a woman can do with herself
that doesn't work as
the housemaid of a dude.
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 19:00:57; ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in
this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with
the fact
that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.
mircea_popescu: and i gotta keep
two sets of womenz. what's your point.
ascii_field: that was
the only real effect of
the u.s. botched metric push
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... and i -still- have
to keep
two sets of drill bits
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field>
the loss in physical plant would be comparable
to a world war << actually, not anymore.
the us has already lost so much physical plant since
the 50s it might have been
through half a dozen world wars.
mircea_popescu: then
the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for
the first five years, only
trucks and vehicles over 5
tons will switch
to driving on right"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the police dept of bumfuck offered
to write a plan and outline strategy and everything.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a joke : when
they entered
the eu,
the romanians starting bidding on all sorts of contracts. like for instance, a 1947 british rfq
to move
the country
to european style driving.
funkenstein_: it is conceivalbe
to slowly phase in on replacements?
ascii_field: the loss in physical plant would be comparable
to a world war
funkenstein_: request for new
tools went back up
the command chain.. end of
that attempt
funkenstein_: the order moved down
the command chain, arrived in machine shop
funkenstein_: think of
their peculiar system of weights and measures <-- nasa made official call
to move
to metric system once
ascii_field: especially fun
to watch folks suggest nonsensical explanations for
the effect
mircea_popescu: dude
there was a light like
that on
the road out of
timisoara, he was
the lol of all
time. we'd like visit
to make fun.
ascii_field: (light from adjacent poles falls on you, reflected back
to photocell on
the light in question)
ascii_field: street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where
they switch -off- if someone walks near
mircea_popescu: so... now you have
to have a pole every 10 meters, and can't even
turn because LIGHT OMG
mircea_popescu: nevermind
that
the rapes
that do happen happen in parking garages not lots.
mircea_popescu: they got it in
their head
that "parking lots are dangerous" because "women get raped" because hey, it's a literary conventions, and nobody can accuse us writers of not being lazy.
mircea_popescu: i'd run
the lights if
the lights ran on your liquefied babies.
mircea_popescu: there's somethin wrong with authority in
the hands of
the stupid,
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: power grids as we know
them are an inherently
totalitarian institution
mircea_popescu: you're
thinking of govt as
this fixed item. it is
the least fixed item of all.
mircea_popescu: cheaper for miners
to cut
the head of
the governments in question
than
to create alt-powergrid.