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mike_c: so work on your own goddamn boat with
the confidence you won't end up on
the street.
mike_c: but
the safety net is still
there. regardless of
that, you could get a high paying job in software. just not one you want.
ascii_field: most of
the pharma folks closed down r&d entirely.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: why do you suppose i'm not
there
mircea_popescu: you have any fucking idea how desperate
those guys are ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally : if your boat breask "by itself" nudge nudge grin grin, you can go back
to biochem.
ascii_field: but
they're
the kind of folks with offspring, mortgages, etc.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the other fella lost his key
mircea_popescu: ascii_field btw, how about you get
them personal friends in
the wot and start a something.
mike_c: idk.. you are looking for a very specialized
type of job. I don't
think you'll get far complaining
there aren't a lot of
them.
mircea_popescu: for your peace of mind :
the last
time a mast broke off in a storm
the year was 1715.
mike_c: see, i
told you it was a money pit.
mike_c: it sounds like you've got
the job you want. so what's
the problem? you need more jobs?
ascii_field: i'm afraid
that i cannot say more without breaking oath
to
the personal friends for whom i carry out
this work.
mircea_popescu: like invention of
tools
to make aeroplanes safer in 1915
mircea_popescu: ascii_field your problem is
that you're premarket in
that.
ascii_field: but invention of
tools
to speed up
the process
ascii_field: the fact
that most of what i do is not brute labour
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it will make more sense if i reveal
that
mircea_popescu: and i understand WHY
they hire
the way
they do, with contests etc.
mircea_popescu: except he doesn't want
tyo compete with
the 16yos
those guys hire.
mike_c: seems also flavors of
this job would be present at security firms.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so
this would be in demand either a) by
the nsa or else b) independent work a la s.nsa
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ascii_field "here's
this binary, find out what it does" ?
mike_c: ok, so
this is.. a circuit board?
ascii_field: or, more related
to my current gig, 'we have yyyyyy and wish
to know why it was made, by whom, what it does, it fell out of flying saucer'
mircea_popescu: which did you mean ? and neither of
these are programmers.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: doesn't want
to "work". he wants
to "think".
ascii_field: mike_c: 'we have xxxxx and have not
the slightest idea what
to do about it'
ascii_field: i can say quite securely
that no one at 'google' is employed in
this capacity.
mike_c: what's an example of a problem you would be asked
to solve in
this position.
mike_c: so be clear about
the position you are looking for
that doesn't exist?
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's very dissonant for me because he seems
to come from
this place where exactly
the opposite of what i see is
true. backwards world of alf.
ascii_field: mike_c: entirely not
the profession i was speaking of.
mike_c: you could walk into google
tomorrow and command an absurd salary
ascii_field: but so narrowly
tight
to
the extent
that
the practitioners have lost all negotiating leverage.
mike_c: i don't understand. maybe you are saying
there is no demand for exactly what you want
to do?
there is plenty of demand for smart programmers.
mircea_popescu: this simply reflects stuff discussed all over
trilema. why would it not be.
ascii_field: because of
the sheer pressure of orcs at
the gate and
the paucity of
the positions
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
that
there is no serious demand for highly skilled computerizers
ascii_field: let's narrow down -which- particular
thing mircea_popescu is unconvinced by, before i answer
mircea_popescu: i must say im still broadly unconvinced by
the entire
thing.
mircea_popescu: in any case,
this would present excellent cause
to disallow acces of women
trying
to appear *as women* in
this field. either
they learn how
to be men or learn
to live without participating in
technology.
ascii_field: evolutionary pressure knows how
to lead
to
two places
mircea_popescu: if women have it, and "do what i mean" and "i should be safe whether im naked drunk or not",
then yes, semiskilled shanonizers in microsoft garb everywhere.
mircea_popescu: if a company can either secure its network or lose its ass...
then
the professional will be in demand.
ascii_field: same as
the 'wriggleys gum' and plastification of industry
mircea_popescu: if
this is
true, which i still doubt but perhaps just as an artefact of my limied circle,
then
the pill is simply destruction of
the legal protections.
mircea_popescu: i suppose
to
the degree
this phenomenon exists, it is driven by
the feminization of
the internet (the sort of retarded behaviour illustrated by
that comment i quoted earlier).
ascii_field: (not sure if
the phenomenon is presently discussed under
than name, or discussed at all for
that matter. but it does have a name.)
ascii_field: for
the reason which i
tried
to explain last night
ascii_field: i cited
that
thing merely because it is a compact statement of essentials of naggumism.
mircea_popescu: is
this
true btw ? i am sensing
this
trendwhere people go "real professionals are not in demand"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: feel free
to recycle it into your next mega-article if you feel like
mircea_popescu: my point is softer
than
that. specifically, it is
that simply having put
this
there would not have
tarnished your blog, but been smart an' convenient.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong, i shall write again. and yes - for
the archaeologists, as before. but presently cut among 1) dayjob 2) s.nsa 3) sleep,eat,...,write
mircea_popescu: just put it
there so it can be found conveniently and forget about it.
mircea_popescu: whjat
the fuck difference does it make
to
the book how many read it?
ascii_field: (in case
this was not clear,
the ru original was not mine, and was found by accident)
mircea_popescu: dude, let's burn
the library of alexandria because nobody ever read it. i bet
that's how it actually went down.
ascii_field: and i blogged about more or less same
thing for 7+ yrs,
to no effect
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you know you really should blog/link
these
things. srsly.
ascii_field: related fields -
they are no longer in demand
today.
Therefore
there is not much choice: sign for your supper by
the latrine [ru prison parlance -
transl. note] or silently rot in full consciousness of your
total bankruptcy and futility of existence.'
ascii_field: Yes, once upon a
time,
the "programmer" was a serious engineering profession with a shade of elite status. In
those years, genuine mastery of certain
technologies was demanded from him, and
this was not attainable by all. Whereas
today any Downs-syntrome-autist can call himself a programmer, because he has mastered
the basics of redneck-coding and will work for food. As for genuine professionals - like in many other
ascii_field: thoughts concerning
the futility of his existence begin
to intrude upon him, of futility; old complexes sharpen, and flower into a full-blown psychological crisis...
ascii_field: Or what remains -
the other variant -
to dive into
the common flow of
the sewers, and
take hold of a passing piece of shit and feed upon it for
the rest of one's pathetic life. Some are satisfied with
this, just as many are satisfied with
the profession of
the prostitute,
the cleaner of latrines, a waiter in MacDuck, etc. But a more or less normal person begins
to experience breakage in his value system, worldview;
ascii_field: The apprehension of one's inadequacy begins, of
the futility of one's existence,
the principal impossibility of fulfilling one's idiotic desires. But
there is always a choice. If
the first variant prevails, he will press on with self-improvement,
the study of genuinely worthy
technologies, on which
there can be foundations for
the creation of something better. And he will understand
that no one needs him as a smart-arse.
ascii_field: But
the pathetic parody of a human does not grasp
that it is not enough
to have a cock's crest bachelor degree or
to spoodge out a few pages of code at an olympiad,
to become a programmer. In
the course of
this revelation,
the lame abortus, reject of evolution, slowly begins
to comprehend
that
the world is very much not as he imagined it.
ascii_field: 'But what, specifically, remains for
the poor students and wankers, who
took up
the notion
that
there is such a profession - "programmer" ? Yes,
there is, but not in
the sense
that
these larval untermenschen conceive of it. Some see in
this role something just short of
the demiurge, crafting
the future; others see a good way
to set up
their life, secure
their future, a stable income and career growth.
mircea_popescu: the entire "we're obeying
the law because
the law produces foodstamps" and "keeps
the
terrorists at bay" doesn't really look
too functional at any rate.
mircea_popescu: could as well obey
this law as any other, and in
the end none at all.
mircea_popescu: why would anyone obey
the law ? it says nothing about
their beliefs, it fails
to make
the world meaningful.
mircea_popescu: then it lost gender. it's
teetering, and i don't
think it's any longer sustainable at all.
mircea_popescu: it lost
that pillar of support. but it reconstructed some sort of balance around
the remainder.
mircea_popescu: see, law is in and of itself meaningless and powerless. if it reflects deeply held societal beliefs, it is powerful. which is why it was powerful in
the old christian days, pre 1000 ad.
Chillum: What I mean is
that just as
the religion of
two people is irrelevant for marriage in
the eyes of
the law, so should be gender
mircea_popescu: yes, it shouldn't inconveniently oppress. but
that does NOT mean it should not oppress at all.
tho i see how
that mistake is easy
to make.
mircea_popescu: once law ceases
to be an instrument of convenient social oppression, it ceases
to matter.
Chillum: I
think
that law should not consider "gender" at all, leave it as a social construct
mircea_popescu: nowadays redneck simply means "someone who doesn't
think
transexuals have a special gender and gay marriage is a
thing"
mircea_popescu: perfect word
this. "dude, stop with
the bydlokodinga!" "did someone bydlokodinga libnss ?"
mircea_popescu: moreover, i hold actual whores in higher regard
than most other professions. certainly i give social precedence
to a whore over a us college professor.