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shinohai: I am no one. Just a person
that wants
to secure
the future of
this
tech
mircea_popescu: what exactly would prevent me from beating
the shit out of
the 'villagers' each day, having
them digging out gold nuggets
till
they drop so i can have more guns flown in ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, same people actually believe
the equivalent of beggars in a river somewhere are... a communal co-op!
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:13:36; ascii_field: or
the absurdity you were asked
to believe,
that villagers could have 'food flown in' in exchange for collectively 'picking up gold flakes'
shinohai: are we going
to defeat
the bitcoin foundation and build a real btc wallet?
funkenstein_: no matter i'll ask for a new one,
thanks again
funkenstein_: thanks.. but it seems it is not
taking
the public key which was given
to me
ascii_field: funkenstein_: likely means
that
there is a revocator packet in
there for some key you don't have in your collection
funkenstein_: no public key - can't apply revocation certificate <--- gpg --import spits
this out. what does it mean?
ascii_field: 'Kids need
to learn
the consequences of embarrassing powerful people.
That is one of
the golden rules of modern society;
thou shalt not embarrass
thy superiors. Snowden forgot
that, and
this little punk forgot
that. You respect your betters, or you get
tossed in a cage.
That's
the law. Ingrain
that into your kid's brains before puberty hits, or
they will wind up in a cage
too.' << from commentz
trinque has
to run, will pick up
the
thread upon return
ascii_field: s last name, and
the
teacher had
typed it in in full view of
the students.
The student said many other students used
these administrators' passwords (their
teachers' last names) so
they can screen-share and video chat with other students.
The student was briefly held in a nearby detention center, and
the county Sheriff warned
that other
teenagers caught doing
the same
thing will "face
the same consequences."'
ascii_field: 'A 14-year-old middle school student in Holiday, Florida, was arrested
this week and charged with "an offense against a computer system and unauthorized access," which is a felony.
The student reportedly used an administrator password
to log into a
teacher's computer and change
the background image
to a photo of
two men kissing.
The student also revealed his secrets after he was caught –
the password was
the
teacher'
funkenstein_: the world
that exists after your birth is imaginary <-- makes more sense
trinque: ratting comrades might make a person feel
the same way about himself, so he choses death
trinque: has nothing
to do with
the situation after death
trinque: since
they are infrequent I do not feel
this way, but if
they were daily I'd gladly end my life rather
than continue in
those conditions
trinque: ascii_field: no
that was precisely my point earlier
ascii_field: if you don't see
this, you are playing mental gymnastics, but whatever rocks your boat.
trinque: yeah but
there are perhaps circumstances less appealing
than death
ascii_field: the world
that exists after your death is imaginary.
trinque: doesn't require a zealot in service
to something imaginary
trinque: person in question doesn't want
to live in a world where comrades are ratted, or at least not his
ascii_field: or whatever equivalent exists in your particular culture (and if your culture doesn't have such heroes, it is moribund and
time
to gtfo)
ascii_field: think of
the partizan who dies under
torture rather
than rat out comrades
ascii_field: virtually anyone worth speaking
to, is, upon examination, motivated by some (2) and not merely (1).
trinque: I am skeptical of
the "right" used
there, but
that's an entirely other
thread
ascii_field: in actuality,
there are
two kinds of human activity. 'i will do
this because my cock will be sucked, or
to avoid whipping', and
the other being 'i will do
this because it is right'
ascii_field: trinque:
that is a formulation for
the simple
trinque: "I will bring about
the glorious *it*"
trinque: I don't see
the connection
to fanaticism
there
ascii_field: to wrap up
the
thread, when i spoke of 'fanatic' i was referring precisely
to mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not
towards purpose' maxim.
chetty: second
that ascii_field
Chillum: I
try not
to work
too hard
ascii_field: Chillum: and if not. i spend a vastly larger fraction of my waking hours working
to pay
tax
than any medieval peasant in europe did.
trinque: Chillum: or could demonstrate value
to someone who was
ascii_field: trinque:
this is not a question
that anyone has any use for
the answer of, even if i could convincingly answer it. but otherwise - chetty has it.
chetty: <trinque> right so what arrangement produces
the longest-term supply of wealthy, educated, cultured patrons?// afaik feudalism
Chillum: his mom wanted him
to stop school
to go back
to farming when he was a
teenager
trinque: right so what arrangement produces
the longest-term supply of wealthy, educated, cultured patrons?
Chillum: trinque: he was born
to a farming family
ascii_field: what particular state religion is in use, is unimportant so long as ufimtsev et al can do
their
thing.
ascii_field: arguably in christendom, but he did write 'i do not need
that hypothesis' when asked where
the place of
the creator was in 'principia'
chetty: well a bubble holds
the belief
together for longer
trinque: chetty: yeah but "believers in bubble" I
think
chetty: same answer for all of
the above, believers
trinque: bizarre obsession with a single
topic coupled with sort of living in an undisturbed bubble for long enough
ascii_field: how did aztecs stay in business long enough
to build
their pyramid
temples?
trinque: how does
that
thing run long enough for your zealots
to produce
the computer?
trinque: ultimately consumed by
the rot of central economic planning?
ascii_field: like a demented old woman who invests in pyramid scams
ten
times a day
trinque: well
the soviet state was
the patron of
these scientists, yes?
ascii_field: note
that herr ufimtsev did not go
to a venture capitalist and ask for money
to live on so he could study mathematics and live a long life of possibly not amounting
to anything
that could be cashed in
to pay it back.
ascii_field: the (meanwhile obsolete
today but
that is another conversation) 'stealth' airplane - lives and dies by
this paper
ascii_field: P. Ya. Ufimtsev, Method of Edge Waves in
the Physical
Theory of Diffraction, Soviet Radio, Moscow, 1962.
trinque: ascii_field: ah, I am not also saying
that because something's not at walmart it doesn't really exist.
the market being skewed
towards morons is a separate problem which needs
to be solved
ascii_field: trinque: interestingly,
there are quite a few
technologies which, in
the popular mind, 'don't exist' because you cannot get
them at
the corner store.
trinque: ascii_field: looks like his capitalist was
the soviet state
trinque: how bout producing more
than one of
the
thing
trinque: the guy
that discovers a
thing is not
the only part of
the process
trinque: but also
that if you're
talking about projects
that span any considerable length of
time, you're gonna need a capitalist
trinque: I
think it's fine
to say
the capitalist and
the scientist are different men
trinque: I am not questioning whether people solve problems simply because of
the satisfaction of doing so
funkenstein_: the interesting bit is what you guys actually do with your lives, not who says
they have what in which accounts
ascii_field: thing is, you don't get
to make herr lodygin not exist, just so your ideology can make sense.
trinque: ascii_field: was he permitted
to benefit from
the fruits of his own labor, or did
this belong
to some all-owning state? I am not familiar enough with Russian history
to say.
mats: there is such a
thing as frictional force business you know
ascii_field: trinque: lodygin didn't make
terribly much from light bulb.
trinque: iirc
the house
that invented
the light bulb made a great deal of money selling
them
funkenstein_: if you are in it for
the money you are an amateur
ascii_field: the only reason you are reading
this by electric light, instead of mumbling
to yourself in a field, is
that someone had
the freedom
to counter-economically pull his mental dick by experimenting with strange.
trinque: mats: I
think scientists might just
tend
to
think
themselves above commerce
funkenstein_: seeing as
the same shit keeps coming up.. a certain amount of accepting what we have might be in order
trinque: I'm stating obvious facts about business which will still be
true in 2198
trinque: ascii_field: I do indeed read
the logs
trinque: funkenstein_: he's already
talked at length about FPGA
ascii_field: but -don't wake me up- if you want
to be 'the delusionist'
ascii_field: trinque:
the only unsolved problem
that would make a palpable difference is
the home ic fab. which makes home satellite launch look
trivial.
trinque: if it's right you should be able
to get rich doing each bit of it
trinque: chart a course
towards
the smallest of
them, and
towards selling it as well
☟︎ trinque: well
that'd be
the
thing
to do
then
trinque: ascii_field: are
there not smaller discoveries which would be useful independently which would build
towards
the final product?
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 21:13:46; mircea_popescu:
the entire "act from cause not
towards purpose"
thing on
trilema is exactly a vaccine against
that.