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asciilifeform: in reality, the whole thing is a game-theoretical boojum
mircea_popescu: Cummerbund just tweaking your chain a little.
Cummerbund: mircea_popescu: Do you mean if the subject matter is poor? I'm merely referring to sentence structure. I would at least like to pretend that the subject matter is okay
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, most of the actual slave driving is directly done by.. engineers in management
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was written already, in a parallel universe where this was not the actuality.
mircea_popescu: someone should write a sf piece about a deranged capitalist who deliberately buys up software outfits to torture the engineers.
mircea_popescu: bad writing is just the outside manifestation of a dysfunctional mind.
Cummerbund: You guys' all remind me how terrible my writing skills are. Nice post funkenstein_
asciilifeform: eers seemed to work reasonably well there. It's just not a business model in which I wish to be involved, at least not on the component-provider side. So after a year at Google I quit and returned to JPL.' << the once well-known erann gatt, aka ron garrett.
asciilifeform: a local frustration maximum. ... One of the reasons I decided to go work for Google was that they were not using Java. So of course you can guess what my first assignment was: lead the inaugural Java development at the company, what eventually became Google AdWords. ... And that was the end of Lisp at Google. In retrospect I am not convinced that he made the wrong decision. The interchangeable component model of software engin
asciilifeform: gramming in Java means a life of continual and unremitting pain. So I vowed I would never be a Java programmer, which pretty much shut me out of 90% of all software engineering jobs in the late 90's. This was OK since I was managing to put together a reasonably successful career as a researcher. But after Remote Agent I found myself more and more frustrated, and the opportunity to work at Google just happened to coincide with
asciilifeform: word "training" in relation to professional activities. Training is what you do to dogs. What you should be doing with people is educating them, not training them. There is a big, big difference.) To my mind, the hallmark of the interchangeable component model of software engineers is Java. Without going into too many details, I'll just say that having programmed in Lisp the shortcomings of Java are glaringly obvious, and pro
asciilifeform: 'One of the reasons I stayed at JPL for twelve years was that I was appalled at what the software industry had become. The management world has tried to develop software engineering processes that allow people to be plugged into them like interchangeable components. The "interface specification" for these "components" usually involves a list of tools in which an engineer has received "training." (I really detest the use of the
funkenstein_: since vixra comes up again here's one of the other great things you can find there
funkenstein_: but hey i learned .. thanks ::)
mircea_popescu: so when do i get to read your pdf ?
asciilifeform: eh, video is not the innermost circle of hell
mircea_popescu: but srsly, i can't for the life of me imagine a different way to run a tech corp these days.
decimation: yeah who are the lizards who run google?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have (or rather had) a mole there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ehg for all you know working at google is essentially having to report on this private irc server twice a week
decimation: well, to be clear, the chump market as represented by wall street fund managers
asciilifeform: or - worse - to the chump market.
asciilifeform: decimation: they answer to the lizards.
asciilifeform: decimation: the brass are among the least-free
asciilifeform: call it "good taste", not "tunnel vision".'
asciilifeform: 'Using such inferior languages is like asking a chef who could have done wonders with any kind of raw materials, to use a dirty kitchen, a broken refrigerator with food that is about to die a second time, broken tools, and brownish tap water that tasted of swamp land. His first task would be to clean up the place. Creating food in there would be the furthest from his mind. That's how I feel about Perl and C++. I prefer to
decimation: asciilifeform: what fascinates me is the fact that even the higher management who is nominally 'free' find themselves enslaves to apple's paradigm (for example, making iphone clones)
asciilifeform: decimation: it is all a matter of what constraints you are willing to work in
decimation: asciilifeform: by that definition, nearly everybody working 'in tech' today is a slave
asciilifeform: 'hired to solve problem' means that you are theoretically free to do it with a computer made of trained squirrels pushing trinary equations, so long as this fits the constraints set by the client.
whaack: (It's javascript with static type checking)
asciilifeform: regardless of the pay
asciilifeform: more to the point, anyone hired with a public advertisement in reference to particular programming languages is hired as meatrobot
decimation: asciilifeform: right, meat robot is given perimeter in which to work
asciilifeform: decimation: i did not say that nobody solves problems at 'google.' merely that no one is hired to 'solve problem.' rather, folks are hired as fungible meat robots.
Cummerbund: It was more naivety before learning what needs to be learned, so rightly I was embarrassed (As opposed to just wrong)
Chillum: it has happened to me several times
Chillum: it is not hard to embarrass yourself here, everyone here is always right
Cummerbund: Yes, I typically work Australian hours
decimation: it's a bit late there isn't it?
decimation: are you from the uk?
mircea_popescu: dude... somewhere there must be a lawyer who legally changed his name to
Cummerbund: In three different stacks
decimation: I suspect what happens at google: many people write and re-write the same bits of software
mircea_popescu: on one hand, their patent inability to come up with anything worth the mention since adwords would be concerning. on the other hand, naggum's observation that you wouldn't know smarter than you if it hit you on the head holds a lot of water.
decimation: asciilifeform: by "nobody solves problems at google" I assume you mean in the "from first principles" sense?
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies. << astronomy/astrology. note how useful -legit- astronomy was for most of its history.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which yo funks! can i rewad that yet ?
mircea_popescu: teaches me to bitch at dwarves for their dubious tech choices.
zooko: I discovered this channel because of http://vixra.org/pdf/1504.0072v2.pdf
zooko: Oh hey, thanks.
trinque: man, that's a smile headed for mediocre state bureaucracy someday
decimation: she's a woman, her mug is plastered on the webpage
decimation: for one thing, I doubt he's being charged for a felony as a juvenile
trinque: florida's public school system is skewed by the number of criminals in the state generally
Chillum: I am feeling a little hyper today
Chillum: at least I did not say "loo"(british for toilet)
Chillum: ah thanks
mircea_popescu: teacher throw a fit. culprit could never be found.
Chillum: I think defendants should be allowed to permit the offended party to smack them in lue of charges
mircea_popescu: Chillum when i was about that age kids got all uppity ran lard all over blackboard.
Chillum: just like if he snuck into the office at night and changed the blackboard, a silly prank, still illegal, light sentence appropriate
mircea_popescu: they're not allowed to.
Chillum: I would hope that the sentence reflect the seriousness of the crime... 48 hours probation and a stern "Don't do it again!"
trinque: so how about this is a teenage male pulling a prank
Chillum: capturing a WPA packet legal, cracking password from that packet legal, logging into the network - criminal unauthorized access
Chillum: still used today, meant to be a catch all for something too complex to put any thought into
Chillum: it is from some computer law from the 80s or 90s
decimation: being as how the journalist is likely retarded
decimation: it would be interesting to know exactly what they are charging him with
Chillum: well prepare to be regularly disappointed
mircea_popescu: not discussing the legality. discussing the nonsensicality.
Chillum: you don;'t have to break anything for breaking and entering charges
Chillum: using an admin password to log in and changing nothing would be just as illegal
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the computer still works. the broken lock does not.
Chillum: same thing
Chillum: if he broke into the staff office to change the blackboard it would still be breaking and enetering
Chillum: to forest gardeners love those roads
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095683 << holy shit is this the onion ?! ☝︎
decimation: in the us it's quite normal for shit to be spread out across the countryside
Chillum: you just have to be okay with driving over 1 inch this trees
decimation: the thing that struck me as weird about the eu (comparied to the us) was how compact little towns are, and how rural the countryside is
Chillum: it is all new growth but there are so many ways away from people if you pick one at random you won't see anyone
Chillum: The island I am on has logging everywhere but with a 30 year recovery period. So there are logging roads everywhere that are abondoned for the last 10-29 years
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Center of the University campus there is a forest. with nothing more than dirt trails and occasional bridge. Fastest way to get from one side to the other is traversing the woods. Because of USian automobile-subdivision town planning outside of downtown most residential areas are separated by virgin-ish woods
Chillum: the eye of the needle was a crowded market in a narrow alley
mircea_popescu: which... it does. they tell legends of women that could suck a golf ball through a garden hose, but new york regularly sucked the jew riding a camel through the eye of a needle.
Chillum: the manner in which a city treats you is directly related to how savvy you are
Chillum: humans too
Chillum: they behave a lot differently when they become town scavengers
mircea_popescu: myeah, seems they do.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I would note that singapore exhibits all the signs of burning through their 'stored fuel'
Chillum: ever seen a seagull out in the wild? They are majestic. The city seagulls are vermin
gribble: SIU warns campus about deer attacks - The Daily Illini : News: <http://www.dailyillini.com/news/article_4f40f150-c23e-5ae1-812a-a0ee8beeb873.html>; Three Injured In Deer Attack On SIU's Carbondale Campus | ksdk.com: <http://bit.ly/1brxlYz>; Deer attacking students at SIU - tribunedigital-chicagotribune: <http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/news/0506170326_1_fawning- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Chillum: This is a rural/Suburban border town. Deer cull very effective here. Now when I lived in Carbondale... Deer raided the garbage dumpsters more than the raccoons did.
Chillum: I used to do a bit of deep forest gardening. I would use capsicum liquid all over to keep the deer away
mircea_popescu: decimation the guy only died recently.
BingoBoingo: Chillum: Edging back garden with peppers handles deer/birds usually. As do the coyotes/feral cats. Getting drunk and pissing in yard handles coyotes.
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:33; ascii_field: because the only approach that i believe to be correct, will result in something tangible only long after we are all dead.