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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, you think usenet was salvageable ?!
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:36:29; asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other.
asciilifeform: insulting to the intelligence of anyone who watched google usenet archive decay
mircea_popescu: funny that newspapers survived mad koontz but did not survive vint cerf.
mircea_popescu: and on that ground that there was, nyt could not compete.
asciilifeform: al schwartz observed the signs in '94 up
mircea_popescu: sure, no argument. nevertheless, there was still ground.
asciilifeform: the seeds of all of it were not only in the ground, but long sprouted and budding leaves.
mircea_popescu: pretty decayed, yes, but nowhere near today's.
mircea_popescu: and that was 2001. long, long before the greenwaldization, long long before the pr-intern and dumb-blonde-chick-from-minessota that eventually yielded its own bastardized meta-story eventually apotheosized in that horseface dumbass...
asciilifeform: mainly shipped to old folks' homes though
asciilifeform was last there in '01, shortly pre-bigboom, and it was in business
asciilifeform: is the last yidish newspaper in brooklyn out of print yet?
mircea_popescu: then the nazis wiped them, modern jewry is in this situation where someone cut the flower, kept the stalk in a vase.
mircea_popescu: ironically, the jewish situation... oh gawd. at the time of the holocaust, the hasidim were arguably the most advanced troop in the world. certainly > 90% of jewry by cultural and intellectual weight, if 50% or so by mass. for all the squalor of the old manhattan, which is what eastern europe was, the place rocked.
asciilifeform: if events take a sudden turn.
asciilifeform: i would observe that everyone presently in good favour of usg by virtue of their 'passport data' - skin, gonads, etc. - runs the risk of ending up weimar-jewed
asciilifeform: aha that one.
mircea_popescu: the children problem. ten lines up.
asciilifeform thinks it will be a hilarious cosmic joke if the sharashka he is worked to death in happens to be built at mit.
mircea_popescu: similarly, but in the other direction, abject slaves that nevertheless unwholesomely despise their superior masters remain abject irrespective of time spent in slavery thereof.
asciilifeform can only with great difficulty picture anyone 'forced' to partake of mit, but allows for the sake of argument.
mircea_popescu: which is why despising mit as a group is so important : people who despise their inept professors may survive them even when forced by events to work there.
asciilifeform: and it worked on precisely this 'oxide' principle.
asciilifeform: i, for instance, happen to believe that soviet mathematics will not be equalled for the next 500 years.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, romania at the time had a very specific atmosphere, one that protected such people in such situaitons like al oxides protect the al.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097931 << one of the brightest minds in an XX body i ever met had finished her thesis under romania's most inept "logician", cca 1988. the woman was not significantly harmed by a half decade's internship with that bootmaker in disguise. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 11:58:20; mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history.
decimation: ben_vulpes: looks like they rolled ERC into the new emacs (24.5)
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:29:20; asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097925 << not that bad if you're black, tho. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> Is the source for the WoT available? << if you mean, how to interact with assbot ? it's in wiki.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can't speak for others, but i refuse to consider the leaking turd usable in any sense whatsoever. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what are your current thoughts on initial nodes for RI's running on the pogo? << the initial nodes must be us.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and aspires to a job to be obtained through an interview with hr. << i have never once found work through an 'hr'. this is not uncommon among my meatwot. (not a magical feat by any means at any rate.)
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felipelalli: asciilifeform: thanks.
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
assbot: Guidance : There Is No Such Thing As Bitcoin Taint. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ca77d8 )
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I love this article: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/ do you keep this opinion? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and there is to be one in every office, lab, bus, train, - elevator. ☟︎
asciilifeform: rather, they are politruks.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the most that'll happen is that you'll get patches regendering the codebase. mircea_popescu: and if you don't put them in, hell, you'll sit and wodner why is it eliezer potterboy "gets funding" << a large part of the purpose of current mit is to produce the folks who will produce these patches.
asciilifeform: if the code is not plagiarized wholesale, this puts her above 99% of'em.
decimation: she apparently spends her time coming up with python code to control motors
asciilifeform: decimation: no shortage of these
assbot: how to make almost anything ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBj5Ot )
asciilifeform: before this, i only knew of mit at all from books.
asciilifeform: but enough of salt mines. i mention it because it was my first wake-up call that something happened to the mythical 'mecca' which i respected for 'having produced lisp machine and sicp'
asciilifeform: as you may know, i live nowhere near mit. there were two offices. one, in cambridge, contained these masturbators, where they played with (largely nonfunctional) robots all day. whereas ours did the - predominantly deadly boring - work which actually paid the bills.
ben_vulpes: i studied with many of the like. getting them to think outside of the box was not worth the time as there was no prerequisite dicksucking going along with it.
asciilifeform: revoltingly studious think-in-the box bitches, just as you might imagine ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i labored a bottom-tier version of same. if that place was as it was, MIT must be even more so.
asciilifeform: though both edifices were rotten quite thoroughly to the core long prior.
asciilifeform: just as the fall of rome is pinned to the particular overthrow where it is traditionally pinned
asciilifeform: i choose to place the fall of mit as the moment when sicp fell
whaack: what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen << my point is the showmen are simply the loudest
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is merely the top concern among such meat processing plants, just as mcdonalds is a leader but sole player in the recycled-food field.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've not your experience nor your eloquence on the topic of MIT, but I do know they waste oodles of money via usg 'science', supply the meatrobots responsible for breaking everything, and glorify the breaking of everything under the auspices of 'patriotism'. ☟︎
decimation: "What worries me is that some of these findings that are found with the big data and the data miners, that people look at the findings and then only after the finding, they concoct a story or a theory, develop ex post some intuition, as to why this should work. And I think that's dangerous. I prefer to work on the basis of first principles: what is reasonable."
asciilifeform: everyone responsible - straight to butugychag.
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc they recently abandoned the very concept of 'p-value' in its entirety.
decimation: "So the sort of papers that are published in psychology, over 92% of them are, 'Oh, here's a hypothesis; I did an experiment; and I get support.' So that is a problem. Because it leads to people essentially data mining to find a result to find a result and then getting it published. "
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mats: if not to learn from them, then to identify useful assets
asciilifeform: what -does- concentrate at mit, and this was a pervasive-enough problem even in the golden days, as attested to by old hands - is concentration of braggarts and showmen
mats: i didn't expect it, i sought them out
asciilifeform: mats: what i know is that i encountered the single largest number of talented folks with skills in weaponizing exploits at MIT << i find it peculiar that anyone would expect to encounter any concentration of such folks in the flesh, for the most part anywhere
mats: (military operations in urban terrain)
decimation: “The second lesson incorporated from the PAIs was that Soldiers in OEF and OIF reported that their hand-to-hand combat encounters revolved around a contest over the Soldier’s weapon (e.g., rifle). It appears that a Soldier’s opponent regularly attempted to wrest control of the Soldier’s weapon during hand-to-hand combat encounters.”
mats: 'combatives' are an essential part of training. especially in MOUT.
asciilifeform: how to take out sentry in any way that doesn't count as 'hand' ? ☟︎
mats: of course. USG spent the last decade in iraq fighting in hovels.
decimation: "216 out of 1,226 Soldiers (19.0%) reported using hand-to-hand combat skills in at least one encounter. The Soldiers’ descriptions indicated that hand-to-hand combat occurred in a variety of tactical situations "
decimation: mats: http://madsciencedefense.com/2014-hand-to-hand-study/ < turns out us military has used hand-to-hand more often than one might think
asciilifeform: this applies to mit, usg, rome, whoever.
asciilifeform: whaack: ultimately 'you are what you pretend to be, so choose carefully what to pretend to be'
asciilifeform: mats: man appears to fight mainly by swinging midgets like hammer
whaack: to anyone who does not immediately apprehend the reason for my position, i invite a look into the 'mit press' catalogues for the last decade or so. << as was expressed in my conversation with mp, mit's press facade is different than its internals. Much like bitcoin
mats: sometimes i wonder if folks in here have spent too much time battling midgets and have forgotten what its like to fight a man.
mats: yes, thats why i mentioned it. as a word of caution about respecting the enemy.
asciilifeform: when i say 'meta-nsa' - again it does not meant that every bipedal amoebal 'success organism' drawing pay there is a brilliant master
asciilifeform: (palantir holds the title for best nameable candidate for meta-nsa. in that they are known to produce the tools which actually work, and - not being part of civil service hierarchy - are free to actually pay programmers something like real money)
assbot: international lisp conference -- day two -- wingolog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GXDJsm )
mats: its not linked, but i did find it by querying the fragment http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/03/24/international-lisp-conference-day-two
asciilifeform: mats: i know more than a few grads that have gone on to accept offers with outfits like Palantir. << i imagine you know what takes place there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he's been introduced to not ever knowing chemistry. << a more or less complete description of most american 'education' on most-any subject today.
asciilifeform: mats: linked shortly below in one of the linked log threads
mats: 22:22:28 <+asciilifeform> ^ see his article on why he allowed his iconic 'structure and interpretation of computer programming' course to get the axe. << link?
asciilifeform: to envision a 'wave of the future' that includes c and unix - entirely other. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: trimming down a unixlike to run therealbitcoin and other traditional proggies that we're stuck with - is one thing
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2015 08:35:04; gabriel_laddel: I've made little to no progress on the codebase recently short of cleaning it up and ensuring that if, for some reason I'm interrupted, that someone else will be able to pick up where I left off if necessary. The sources, coupled with http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html provide enough detail for one to know what I have in mind and why. http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html provides an
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform you gotta have a look at http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-04-2015#1097382 << gabriel_laddel has good summaries of things, but i must confess that i am not particularly interested in 'lispy unix' as i consider it coprophagic pizza. ☝︎
asciilifeform: suppose you meet a chemist who enthusiastically studied and 'succeeded' - top marks! - under elena ceausescu.
asciilifeform: folks who went there - either of these or any other top academies of usg - by all rights ought to pretend to have spent their youth in jail or army.
asciilifeform: and wish to see it demolished, the earth - salted, the inhabitants - lowered into pederasty
asciilifeform: but i presently believe that it is the -duty- of any literate man of science today to despise mit and everything it now stands for, just as, e.g., an honest historian or anthropologist must despise harvard. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and yes i wanted to probe ben_vulpes before saying all of this.
asciilifeform: virtually 100% envirowhinerism, 'solutions' for the turd world, or 'accomplishments' of the Officially Sad