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felipelalli: i did not mean "usg agent", replace
that by "specialist in documents"
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: so, supose you are a usg agent and everybody knows your ability, you rate 10
the user br-8d255152, even if
that user had 20x -10, I'd
trust in your rate.
The point is just
the standard.
The WoT serves as a natural filter.
ben_vulpes: i speak of an ascii blob i receive over whatever channel - is
this not a document?
trinque: asciilifeform: force ISPs
to drop
traffic not using a sanctioned key?
felipelalli: and
then "follow
the WoT". If MtGox for example rates my "mirror user" br-8d255152 or "U.S. gov" rates
that, no one
trust
them anyway.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> felipelalli: someone who is not a usg agent has no ability whatsoever
to verify
the legitimacy of any document but
that of
the most laughable fake << asciilifeform re
decimation: asciilifeform: note
that zimmerman is largely
trading on his rep 'earned' during
the 'crypto wars'
☟︎ felipelalli: I know it is not perfect, but it could be useful in some situations.
The point is just create
that standard.
decimation: compromised as
they are by conflicting interests
to sell
their customers
decimation: in
the case of apple, I
think it's quite likely
they are honestly
trying
to make
things secure, but are about as successful as all other 'tech' firms have been
williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its a good idea or not at
this point, but interesting
to
think about. Very hard
to prove we are
the sole instance of ourselves
☟︎ williamdunne: felipelalli: read
the issue section about making sure each person has but one identity
trinque: asciilifeform:
they're going
to need a big false flag
williamdunne: decimation: his point was
that
they're creating
the illusion of security
through colourful iphones
felipelalli: asciilifeform:
thank you, good point, but it could be offset with
the WoT where
the ability
to analyze a real document would be
taken into account. williamdunne
thank you! Nice
to hear
that! I was
thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard?
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: algo went as follows: 1) snowden releases (whether one believes
they were controlled or spontaneous does not matter for
this recipe)
williamdunne: felipelalli: Its not all
that new
though, some other people working on something similarish
williamdunne: felipelalli: I don't
think your idea is
that bad, but it would need
to be more decentralized and based on WoT. For example asciilifeform might meet you in person and vouch
that you are whom you say you are, and
that your identity number is: 31231610
trinque: not even multiple choice I wager...
the barbarians!
trinque: how would
they pull off "crypto ==
terrorists" if no one understands
the first
term
trinque: asciilifeform | 3) was
to be
the massive uptake by miscreant chumps << of
the bunk crypto?
felipelalli: asciilifeform: why
this requires cooperation? could you give an example?
mats: bad.
the friction exists in developing
the identity, not burning it.
felipelalli: in
this way, anyone could rate scammers and it would be useful for all services like exchanges and everything.
☟︎ felipelalli: ok, I'll
try: I'd like
to use OTC as a global "blacklist". But it is bad for
that because a scammer won't create an account on OTC, or if his reputation is bad, he'll erase it. So we could create a "standard" like for example: br-8d255152 where "br" is
the country code ISO and 8d255152 is
the first 8 chars of SHA256 of user country document (in Brazil we call CPF and in Australia ID)
trinque: asciilifeform: some kind of implication
that
they're secure *now*?
ben_vulpes: that's why *you're* supposed
to be
the one gasping on
the brink
trinque: "well of course we have
to watch
the wire for
terrorists using gpg!"
trinque: asciilifeform: at
the very least passing something like
that legitimizes surveillance as a means
to verify compliance with
the escrow system
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: generally you'll want
to have
the
thing queued up
to fire *before*
talking about it
felipelalli: ahahah
thanks ben_vulpes ok, but I
think it could be a "book", so I'll write on pastebin and
then paste here.
ben_vulpes: jokes aside, "don't ask
to ask, just ask"
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: i'll gladly shoot you down for
the pleasure of it
felipelalli: hi! I have an idea. could you guys please
tell me if
this is a bad, more or less or good idea?
williamdunne: " Lawmakers were not around at
the
time, as Congress was out of session on spring break.
They are expected
to reconvene on Monday. "
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williamdunne: mats: Somehow I doubt
that
the IRS wouldn't
track
to whom
they issue each card
mats: (also, can anyone explain why
the IRS issues debit cards for refunds? i'm
told
they're "untraceable" by folks
that spoke
to LEOs regarding
the matter)
mats: heh, six people in
the office had
their
tax returns stolen
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:30:33;
trinque: but more importantly
to spin up a new bureaucracy
that can handle
taking an income
tax in
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:28:39; lobbes: "If due,
the Arts
Tax is $35 per person"
jurov: i quoted
that mainly because of
the planning
mircea_popescu: pki isn't even a
thing anymore. i don't use it, for instance.
mircea_popescu: yes,
the
time for plaintext is over, but because wots and so on, not because pki.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:21:13; jurov: "Finally, some people conflate
the idea of a global
transition from plain HTTP
to HTTPS as a move by CA's
to make more money.
They might argue
that first, we need
to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP
to HTTPS is step one. Step
two might include adding more avenues for establishing
trust and authentication."
mircea_popescu: they only exist because of
the expenditure. how would it not grow ?
williamdunne: (they being
the collective employees of
the USG)
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:18:42; lobbes: re:
tax idiocy.
There are
towns where I live
that feel fit
to
tax income on residents
that make
their money out-of-town.
williamdunne: But USG spending is so stable? Hence why
they keep growing year on year.
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 21:34:15; williamdunne: "Did you know
that
the average
tax return so far for 2015 is $3,539! What would, or will, you do with
that hard earned money
the government so graciously returned
to you after borrowing it at 0% interest?"
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:39:06; lobbes: did
trilema migrate? << I,
too, have not been able
to load it
today
assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:35:44;
TheNewDeal: did
trilema migrate?