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mircea_popescu: which is what i was talking about throughout.
nubbins`: adlai if all your goods that matter aren't with you, when you stand naked and alone, then you're in a pretty bad way.
pete_dushenski: but nor are forums the only, well, forum for discussion
mircea_popescu: which is just another way of saying that "talking about bitcoin doesn't make you part of bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: if dude's not ready to buy nw car, he may talk of whatever with whoever, still no car. so forum didn';t DO anything.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if someone's ready to i dunno, buy a new car, then he has specific questions which a forum might answer, and he's buying cart with our without forum. so forum didn't DO anything.
adlai: but srsly, read the links. it's a one paragraph story
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: aha. more a property of the observer
adlai: well it's more towards nubbins` who seems to have trouble getting across what was said quite aptly millenia ago
nubbins`: constantly renewed temptation of hegemony, if we stop making the decision our final aim, then there is a chance for a kind of massification, one of those moments of collective crystallization where a decision suddenly takes hold of beings, completely or only in part."
nubbins`: but of liberating the speech, gestures, and interplay of beings that take place within them. We just have to see that each person comes to an assembly not only with a point of view or a motion, but with desires, attachments, capacities, forces, sadnesses and a certain disposition toward others, an openness. If we manage to set aside the fantasy of the General Assembly and replace it with an assembly of presences, if we manage to foil the
nubbins`: "The need to assemble is as constant among humans as the necessity of making decisions is rare. Assembling corresponds to the joy of feeling a common power. Decisions are vital only in emergency situations, where the exercise of democracy is already compromised. The rest of the time, “the democratic character of decision making” is only a problem for the fanatics of process. It’s not a matter of critiquing assemblies or abandoning them,
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski being persuasive is like being tasteful. not a property of the painting.
mircea_popescu: adlai no, i'm aware of teh quote.
adlai: actually unable to tell if anybody here understands latin anymore
nubbins`: actually unable to tell if that's a srs question.
mircea_popescu: how is discussion supposed to spur action ?
mircea_popescu: no dude. they kept talking indefinitely. it's a way to pass the time.
mircea_popescu: hey, i used to write great novels, but then i got promoted and now im doing 6 teasy metaphores an hour!
nubbins`: let me guess, all the ones who jumped in the pool drowned?
mircea_popescu: (yes this has been a teasy metaphore)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` all about how and why would one go in the water, whether there's breathing, ample considerations.
mircea_popescu: and they had this conversation which went on for a while.
mircea_popescu: so listen, i was once with like half a dozen teensy chicks by the side of a pool, and some were in the water and some were on the chairs.
nubbins`: i reply "take your tongue out of his ass" and people think i'm being all flippant.
nubbins`: question was "how do i stop giving rimjob to the man"
mircea_popescu: so stop asking the esteemed channel trick questionz.
mircea_popescu: which should explain why people don't particularly wanna say anything on the topic. how the hell does one even know ?
mircea_popescu: which then paid off when you went and fucked with installing pogoshits
nubbins`: you may be thinking of the time where i went on about how little money i need to make in order to get by
mircea_popescu: nubbins` honestly i thought you were kinda dumb for the entire interval, but in a reserved sort of way.
nubbins`: certainly more valuable than w/e stacks of btc, w/e piles of printing equipment, w/e meatwot
nubbins`: asciilifeform my greatest asset is my willingness to toss zippos over shoulders
asciilifeform would love to continue, but has to go mine some salt now.
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
asciilifeform recalls a thread where nubbins` spoke of having some sort of actual assets to his name
adlai: so your driftwood is tied to the megasteamer
nubbins`: paid-up? the bank owns this house, buddy
asciilifeform: and gets to think rich man thoughts
adlai: see your name highlighted when you type mine
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you did mention a paid-up house. so whatever the intelligence and wisdom, nubbins` is rich
nubbins`: adlai what can you do that i can't?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` discussions on teh side of the pool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is more like exhortation, to downed pilot in desert, 'throw out that stale water in your flask'
nubbins`: now, at this point, i'd like to take the opportunity to inquire as to what the general consensus is, among those present, regarding my intelligence, wisdom, and overall sensibility
adlai: nubbins` seems content to swim, or clutch driftwood, after taking the hatchet to his yacht
mircea_popescu: cuz 598986907 years ago, hunter went into the forest, whereas woman only moved fat butt from current bush she plucked once someone found a new bush
mircea_popescu: that's how women think, srsly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: implies a woman-generator that will produce replacement
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the ancient discussion with TaT re women. "do you like her ? if not, get rid of her"
nubbins`: precisely six months after this promotion, i tendered my resignation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the exhortation to walk is the l0l here
nubbins`: this came with the "huge" salary of $61,000 per annum
nubbins`: great stuff, top kek. 25% discount on my home and car insurance. $500/year "wellness benefit" for new running shoes. full health and dental.
adlai: "opiate of the masses" is not a diss
mircea_popescu: im starting to understand why religion is such a big deal. it's not that it makes any sense, it's that it provides answers to "fundamental questions of life"
nubbins`: so in august 2012, i was promoted from "programmer/analyst" to "senior programmer/analyst"
asciilifeform: did i misunderstand the implication
asciilifeform: nubbins`: walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out.
nubbins`: my point is if you don't like riding in the clown car, get out and walk (again the lsd!)
asciilifeform: welcome to being the greeks, who had spiffy thought but no engineering to speak of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his point, so far as i can surmise, is 'be theoretical physicist'
nubbins`: salary time
asciilifeform: nubbins`: again the lsd
asciilifeform: it is not why anyone gets the gasenwagen
nubbins`: i'd also advance the opinion that one does not know quite how much one can change until one is forced to do so. while this may seem incredibly foolhardy (so much so that most people never try it), walking away with a zippo tossed over shoulder is the only way to find out.
asciilifeform: including the ninjasp4mz0rz
asciilifeform: adlai: everyone who reads the log, 'knows too much'
adlai: if you're worried about getting killed because you know too much... that's your problem, for agreeing to hear too much
mircea_popescu: without that, there'd be no literature.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the fictitious game of "may be" is by definition going to provide any anwer you seek.
adlai: the highest bidder's exit from the auction, for reasons ranging from death to bankruptcy, doesn't mean that others aren't waiting to take his place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the long-term question is 'can i do something with it and continue to eat.' if fiat world turns sufficiently hostile, the answer, simply based on my pre-existing work here, may be a 'no.'
nubbins`: which puts you (a) far ahead of most of the pack and (b) in a position to, y'know... walk away and start over whenever you like
nubbins`: the slightly less saucy reply is that you didn't learn "to do x", you learned "how to learn"
mircea_popescu: if the answer's no, then you've got yourself a social study. if the answer's yes, more power to ya.
mircea_popescu: it involves an answer to the very simple q : "can you do something with it ?"
nubbins`: asciilifeform you won't get me to admit that learning things is a waste. so the facile reply is a flat-out no
mircea_popescu: this does not involve finding the officer of serenissima hr.
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple heuristic to evaluate whether you're currently developing or whether you historically developped skills teh most serene republic has a need of.
asciilifeform: i'd like to see the logical end for it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because nubbins` has this incomplete thread with me, re: 'you too can learn to be me'
assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 18:05:42; mircea_popescu: ascii_field so this would be in demand either a) by the nsa or else b) independent work a la s.nsa
nubbins`: asciilifeform an honest take will require a bit of time, but if you've got the ears...
nubbins`: the prize for "most interesting line of work about which we know almost nothing" goes to...
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'd like to hear honest take from you, on this matter. would you say that the 20 years i spent learning to do what i do, since was a boy, a waste, like career of a bureaucrat? or does serenissima world have some use for the type of thing that i do.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2015#1095008 << thread re: same ☝︎
nubbins`: and i'd advance that water does not dissolve it
nubbins`: the cheap icky you're referring to is PVA
adlai: water dissolves glue (at least, the cheap icky "white glue" stuff); ie, say asciilifeform is part of the glued idiot mass... as it begins to implode/dissolve/etc, folks find themselves increasingly less glued
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform moreovber, you know, resolving problems that are clearly past what you probably correctly call an event horizon is an exercise in derpitude.
asciilifeform: we salt mine folk know who we're glued to.
nubbins`: asciilifeform if i can navigate the dark markets, so can you!
asciilifeform: nubbins`: share the lsd ?
nubbins`: you don't always realize who you're glued to until the water gets above a certain level
mircea_popescu: ok so then.
asciilifeform: nor am i entirely certain that i'm not one of the folks glued together
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't even envisioned solution to the problem of escaping the event horizon of the black hole resulting from the idiot's implosion
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can build all your factories you want once the idiot in the room (made out of a bunch of idiots glued to each other) is dead.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the partizan armies of iraq, afghan, etc. are like zoo cats