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mircea_popescu: whereas the substance of thought does not move into adulthood, rendering the subject incapable to rightly apprehend the world,
mircea_popescu: i mean if the part of the brain that handles the mechanics of thought moves into adulthood, rendering the subject capable of articulating longer strings and remembering them,
diana_coman: not sure I see how that works
mircea_popescu: ie, yes, jenkins sings to carnegie hall, koch cryptograpies to the conference plastic carpet, some kids in egypt http://trilema.com/2011/bine-ati-venit-la-noi-in-tara/#selection-177.0-177.14 and so following.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was the orig hut then ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what's the difference between this "amateur" and "childish"?
mircea_popescu: tbh, the carnegie hall may be a fine example -- florence jenkins played in what ~everone deemed a "how cute, they made copy out of hut!" item.
asciilifeform: i'm not disputing the wires, only the stickers on the wires.
mircea_popescu: well, classification is classification ; the meaning of words flow from reason not from some sort of consideration of political expediency
asciilifeform: koch et al, 'play in carnegie hall', like the infamous florence foster jenkins
asciilifeform: re the trombonists -- if they're playing in designated padded room, who the hell cares .
mircea_popescu: (to briefly revisit the dilettante issue : the other problem is that dilettante delights in ~consuming the end product~, ie, listening to music. the amateur trombonist and the dilettante jazzist may be a match made in heaven, however, they're not the same thing -- much like the narcissist and his borderline-sleeve gf aren't.)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!") << Also why amateur doesn't have girl dancing in kitchen with knife and garlic while sitting at terminal
asciilifeform: e you wouldn't come to me with a sick dog because of it, but that's the way many people approach programmers.'
asciilifeform: 'tell you what. I receive some cast-away meat from dissections at my nearby veterinary school, and I have absolutely no problem with filling my fridge with dead animal parts. I enjoy studying the interior design of animals while I feed my cat with the meat. if you wade through my garbage, you'd find whole ribs, an assortment of bones, lots of animal skin, an occasional hoof, and a large number of used scalpel blades. I really hop
mircea_popescu: (and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!")
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo particularly visible in teh female herd, which is why exposure (as per http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#footnote_1_78125 discussion) is such a cure-all of femissues.
BingoBoingo: The only problem with amateurs is when their efforts get taken seriously and their pursuit out of love makes a mess for everyone trying to do because they need/want good things: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'amateur' sounds moar like sleepwalker than ordinary sleeper tho
mircea_popescu: you go to bed, you close your eyes, your brain goes splat. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: not anymore than dreaming is.
asciilifeform: unless i misread thrd, mircea_popescu's implication is that 'amateur' is a type of mental defective
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you have to piss ?
mircea_popescu: (anyway, the distinction is spurious, dilettante is LITERALLY italian for "amateur", comes from the same root as gave delight in english)
asciilifeform: ars longa & vita brevis, to touch ~errything~. i'm prepared to piss on koch, but i won't piss on gliderist who gets in nobody's way
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not responsible to say what exactly ; maybe trying to re-enact being in craddle for all i know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is that in my head dilettante would be one still getting his footing (ie, who has not yet touched all the elements of the field)
asciilifeform: is a fella who flies hand-glider on weekends 'trying to re-enact' being bird ?
mircea_popescu: all the fucking scenesters, amateur bdsm folk, have this in common with the pedo and the neurotic-impotent : that they're trying to re-enact.
asciilifeform: imho 'ameteur' vs 'pro' is muchly misleading termnology; 'serious' vs dilettante is as i understand exactly what mircea_popescu was discussing
mircea_popescu: there IS, incidentally, a very marked difference between amateur and serious fuckers, as teh womenz will attest. because the amateur fucker... http://trilema.com/2011/voi-puneti-fetele-sa-zica-ceva/ aka makes you call him "daddy" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i cook! i picked writer because it's easy to see my writing and hard to see my fucking.
asciilifeform: where he 'i relax doing this cuz the result dun matter to anyone else'
mircea_popescu: ie, that line is intended to show that the alternative understanding of the term is inconsistent.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dug for, but failed to find in O(1), Framedragger's 'model airplanes' thrd
Mocky: if so then why would picking writer be the argument, why not cook?
asciilifeform 9-dan teapot!111
a111: Logged on 2019-01-30 18:35 mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?
mircea_popescu: are you also old at desk but young at teapot ?
mircea_popescu: Mocky there's no transitiveness. how can you be an amateur ~at X~ ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/analiza-tehnica/#selection-39.171-49.1 << ye olde liberman point, "it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense", stands : it is acceptable to be osteopath ; not acceptable to be chess player.
asciilifeform: eh if unbroken, what's it doing on a surgeon's table
mircea_popescu: body is entirely as unbroken as anything can ever aspire to be.
asciilifeform: body is as 'broken' as anyffin gets, yet there is still such a thing as pro surgeon
mircea_popescu: hence "amateur mistakes" -- mistakes apt to be produced by one who acts as if the world/item/tool/whatever IS HIS MOTHER
mircea_popescu: "when i discovered the universe was artificial i withdrew into amateurship, because you can't commit to following a universe that's broken"
a111: Logged on 2019-01-22 19:27 asciilifeform: fwiw when asciilifeform , not even in teen yrs yet, lost interest in olympiads, this was why.
mircea_popescu: allow me to rephrase your http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889356 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889358 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: ( the 'pro' players are entirely diff social circle, tho, and not merely because they live on winnings. they're more or less grown from age 5 to do the thing )
mircea_popescu: and the theory also readily mops up ye olde http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22coffin%22+%22liner%22 problem : senescence can collapse one back into amateurship!
asciilifeform: in the (possibly surprisingly, to some) not yet dead world of go, there exists such a thing as '9-dan amateur', who can sometimes win against (lower ranked) pro
mircea_popescu: and i also dispute there's any requirement of ~expertise~ for ~professionalism~. utter fucking bullshit of the confused and the definitionless, trying to buy one thing with the other and back again circularly because that's all they got.
Mocky: I got paid to do some development for a game, but still would say amateur game developer
mircea_popescu: seems to me deepfry monkey essentially amateur ; my expert sluts as pro as it can possibly get.
asciilifeform: it rose to 'meme', tho, i've seen number of ru folx who 'graduated' from having to work for daily bread, refer to it.
mircea_popescu: my slaves cook. nobody pays them (of course, there's the http://trilema.com/2018/have-you-ever-paid-for-sex/#selection-35.137-39.757 problem to confound things). all sorta deepfry "cooks" hundred or ten thousand mile radius around you right now, paid to cook. do they ?
asciilifeform: in a certain old sov children's cartoon there was a crocodile character who , when asked what is his profession, would answer 'i work as myself, there in the zoo'
mircea_popescu: obama, tho, that's a pro.
asciilifeform: was about to say!
mircea_popescu: i suppose stalin the definitive amateur, iirc never paid.
mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( not that freud was wrong, even, re subj. )
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that mircea_popescu is the last living troo subscriber of s. freud
mircea_popescu: if kasparov plays to win -- pro ; if kasparov plays to feel good about himself -- amateur. money dun enter into it, and proximity to other people entirely spurious socialism tendril.
mircea_popescu: everyone has a conception of "how world should be", constructed essentially out of Mother in the positive and some "expectations" from personal history.
asciilifeform: what means to 'fly looking in' ?
asciilifeform: as i understand, diff enuff activity that it is quite separate from what he does for living; and so amateur, just as he is amateur when plays chess
asciilifeform: he flies himself, iirc , cuz likes the feel of the wind or etc.
mircea_popescu: if i take a seat next to you in your car, the large cost is my sitting, the small cost is the money.
mircea_popescu: i hold this is an entirely spurious distinction.
Mocky: not paid to do it
asciilifeform: e.g. trinque ☟︎
asciilifeform vaguely suspects that 'potato jizzus' is moar famous , sadly, than the orig painting nao
mircea_popescu: various mammies crowding the us congress building -- amateur Mothers of Their Country
mircea_popescu: the woman that fixed the antique jesus picture was amateur reconditioner of old frescoes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quackery is the particular word for amateur medicine. high time for amateur engineering to get a specific word too, but not the end of ther world to wait for it.
asciilifeform: dunno, peddling snake oil for money is not what i associate with 'amateur'; it's quackery. amateur typically writes 'into desk' and doesn't pollute environment. tho i suppose 'open sores' is changing this.
mircea_popescu: koch application of fermat DIRECTLY maps on the above "random definition".
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you, amateur is one who expects the world to "play nice" in whatever random definition he comes up with because daddy had the common fucking decency to not rape 'em while they were growing up, SO THEREFORE!!!
mircea_popescu: and if i hire douchebag to douchebag for a while, he's still an amateur.
mircea_popescu: it seems to be the older definition, but it's fucking meaningless.
asciilifeform: ( in that respect, koch is arguably 'professional', entirely bought an' paid for by microshit et al )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought 'amateur' is simply what's left when you subtract folx who bake for money.
mircea_popescu: (i think it makes a rather subtle point, so discussion particularly welcome)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch16_miller_rabin.kv << ty phf !
asciilifeform: ( can use card from the dead unit )
asciilifeform: let's reimage its sd also, ping me when it's time.
asciilifeform: for the new rk.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you're there, plox to stuff a new disk into dulap so i can breathe life into it
BingoBoingo: I am planning to emplace the new Rockchip tomorrow. No downtime is planned, but removing the old and placing the new is going to take some dexterity. ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other noose, hats off to BingoBoingo's orccraft, <6day from asciilifeform ordering rk to BingoBoingo uncrating !
asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=miller+rabin+constant+time << seems like we're the only folx who ever showed detectable symptom of giving a shit..
asciilifeform: the aviation engine folx -- tried.
asciilifeform: building sumthing like today's motor , in the last reich, would be 'clockmaker' job ( hand-polish the parts to tolerance ? ), and defo nonstarter at scale, yea
a111: Logged on 2019-01-16 16:05 mircea_popescu: it's a pretty sweet item, except for one point : its twin engines together less power than bartholomew.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's current ride quite likely has moarhorse than 'king tiger' etc
asciilifeform: also tru
mircea_popescu: tru. also, contemporary engine would have been a piece of art in 1940s, irreproducible with current tech
asciilifeform: the krauts weren't exactly drowning in cheap petrol tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do wonder if the bmw monster's 300 horse, would actually make any useful diff in mud road, vs. the classic zundapp's 10