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mircea_popescu: and in other pointless bullshit : https://goodmenproject.com/ ie "the conversation no one is having [any of]" happening inexplicably on the IAB website template. i'm guessing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 also does their checkout, legal &c, coincidentally. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i guess we restate.
asciilifeform: this is a major 'nope', all extant vtrons i expect will choke on this alone.
asciilifeform: probably spiffiest build system i've ever used, and it ships with gnat.
diana_coman: I do get it, thanks; will try again and report
diana_coman: while I did it on a containing code, wtf
diana_coman: but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is what I did
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ugh, I see
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, tbh I lost count; more like delete and create whole thing again, on the verge of making bash scripts for each project anyway
asciilifeform: i'ma go to tea and look.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I CAN PRESS your patches
diana_coman: ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
asciilifeform: on top of this i dun recognize the distinction between the two bureaucracies the ownership of said lands is being moved between
asciilifeform: i can picture
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't recognize usg-painted map.
BingoBoingo: i.e. Grand Escalara national monument reduced to the the grand escalara and a bit of surroundings instead of a tract of mostly nothing
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
BingoBoingo: I don't know yet that they lubricate
mircea_popescu: not as far as i've observed. then again, everyone's free to follow fanfics.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:31 mircea_popescu: i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich. ☝︎
diana_coman: ugh, at http://thebitcoin.foundation/ yes; I followed the links from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html though and ended up with old one
diana_coman: aha, it's basically my ...tweaked one except I did not realise I needed a space too
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is the one i've been using since iirc nov 2015
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma repaste mine, but gotta switch consoles, brb
mircea_popescu: i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine. ☟︎
diana_coman: I did tweak it but I might have gotten something wrong and I'd rather rule this part out before hunting for issues
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sure i flew tm-bucharest in an actual piston thing.
mircea_popescu: i never managed to find drinkable rum in the old world. so i only drink it this side
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747872 << i was in one of those yellowed plastics, panama->bolivia, and thought 'this could easily be same boeing i came to usa on in '92' ☝︎
diana_coman: while I usually do have rum in the house it's (at least supposedly) meant for..caek
mircea_popescu: i went from "just about ready to burn this shit down" to having a grand ole mellow time in the ten minutes it took to get two refills.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i had a ride in an even tinier thing in ro, even had propellers
diana_coman: hm, if I'm looking at the right model it still is some reasonable size; I flew a couple of times to Rome on some 15-seats plane and that was always... interesting
mircea_popescu: dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their “The Game” plan is simple: 1. Don’t pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But that’s like switching from live bait to dynamite when you’re fishing in the bathtub. Here’s a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that aren’t going to fuck you!"
mircea_popescu: noncompliant items can i guess go in 'experimental' or whatever ghetto.
mircea_popescu: was one of the maybe i dunno, 6 ? 10 ? bloggers worth the mention.
mod6: <+diana_coman> I can confirm this version presses with mod6's vtron << thanks for checking this out too!
mod6: asciilifeform: I can confirm that your new patches & sigs (posted above) at least ~press~ happily: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1islx/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: and in other "omg i can't believe this still exists", http://violentacres.com/two-phrases-that-destroyed-american-culture/
mircea_popescu: i think so.
asciilifeform: i will host the seals.
asciilifeform: anyone who considers self a 'graduate' of ch1, i.e. having loaded it Into Head, is invited to sign the genesis.
diana_coman: I can also confirm that it presses with asciilifeform's v and moreover that the 2 results are - as expected - same
diana_coman: I can confirm this version presses with mod6's vtron
asciilifeform: i'd quite like to see this.
mircea_popescu: i expect his method (add the terminating ---s the thing expects even if spurious) works even if implementation may need work. tho i dun wanna go down this road.
asciilifeform: i'ma do what mircea_popescu said.
asciilifeform: i'ma practice test-press prior to publication, from nao on
asciilifeform: the problem is more or less guaranteed to recur, however, i suspect.
asciilifeform: i'ma upload a signed phf-cured second_cut presently, if no one can think of a reason not to
asciilifeform: phf: i see what you did. but how would you modify vdiff to actually produce this ?
asciilifeform: i am not adding extraneous rules to ada to satisfy idiotparser.
asciilifeform: i will point out that the mpi genesis was created in oct. of 2015, when v was 2 mo. old.
asciilifeform: if i mutilate it, it will no longer verify
asciilifeform: in the earlier FG case i 'cheated' by rejecting the use of the uuencoded blogs in the 1st place
asciilifeform: and i like it that way.
mircea_popescu: i thought ada comments were --
asciilifeform: phf: this is entirely correct. i dun see how it contradicts what i said however.
asciilifeform: i'm also allears re: what a Properly Made vdiff oughta do. 'replace with ===' is not an answer, it simply creates a new magic death word, ===.
asciilifeform: i'm all ears, phf . but my current understanding is that the problem is in that vdiff cannot eat arbitrary 7bitclean ascii files.
asciilifeform: i get same result as with mod6's vtron
mircea_popescu: i suppose the third alternative is to actually implement a proper diff as part of vtron
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i recall a similar boojum in my 1st attempt at the FG release, that time it was a '+++' inside a uuencoded blob << lol, ok i see the problem too. you're right, this similar thing happened before.
asciilifeform: i recall a similar boojum in my 1st attempt at the FG release, that time it was a '+++' inside a uuencoded blob
asciilifeform: the sad part is that i have nfi how to cure this , it is a consequence of using unix diff ( with in-band signal ) to begin with.
asciilifeform: i will not spoil the surprise , folx who look in the tarball will see what the caltrop was.
asciilifeform: i'ma tar it up and let people replicate
asciilifeform: because i think i may have found a bug in diff
asciilifeform: i'ma double-chexk this before running mouth...
mircea_popescu: on a long enough timeframe, there's going to exist a vtron in ~any language anyway, i expect.
mircea_popescu: i'm not going to pick a wife for you, "here, THIS is the woman you should be comfortable with". pick your own. languages idem.
mod6: It /is/ a bit worrysome that I believe that I'm the only person who knows how it works. And since it's the only version in existence that encompasses all of the rules arbitrated in our chamber, that a new version that is easier to understand is warranted.
mod6: because what i don't want to do is have a perl genesis, then some vpatch that deletes everything and inflates a bunch of ada stuffs. prolly be better to start in the lang you expect to say within for the lifetime of the application.
asciilifeform: i broke 'second cut' into patchons, and found :
mod6: but furthermore, i tend to agree. if i thought that my V would stay in perl forever, i'd probably already have created the genesis. however, i'd like to see if I can get the Ada version off the ground.
asciilifeform: this is not the 1st time i plugged a finger into 220v. the breaker, i will however point out -- worked
mod6: I'll do what I can to vet it.
asciilifeform: and i oughta properly read yer vtron, mod6 .
mod6: I should have examined/tested your mpi vpatches, alf. I'll continue to try to be a second pair of eyes, reading them. There's no substitute for reading. For those following along, take note.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-05 17:47 asciilifeform: ( lessee if i properly ate & shat, 'i do not consider myself a programmer, for i have another craft. let's say i am an amateur programmer. and yet though i am an amateur, i find myself having written tens of thou. of loc in this-here life. and at least a min of 10k loc for web. but wanna hear sumthing ? never have i created a security hole in any. never. do you suppose i simply had good luck ? possibly luck. or possibly i wrote the c
asciilifeform: now i'ma go and get the mop, pick up the liquishit, brb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, mod6 is right , i'ma have to regrind the 2nd patch. and also stuck , deservedly, with the chore of demonstrating that the payloads are unaltered.
mod6: fwiw, i've never even looked at this!
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mk, so no need for the tar I gather since you can easily reproduce it anyway
mod6: ok. i'll see what i can dig up
asciilifeform: at this point i'm quite curious re what gives
trinque: will at some point release vpatches with sane method names. but thing works, and I'm not going to obscure history because I knew less in the past.
mod6: I had started a new V in Ada, had to stick it in the drawer for a while. Not getting to exactly where I wanted to go (easy to read, fits in head, no perl/perlisms) with it at this time.
diana_coman: I'll wipe again and try your v too for completeness at least
asciilifeform: whereas i just now 'pressed' the old and the new genesis with plain old patch -p1 < old and patch -p1 < new
diana_coman: so then : I try to press and I get...that
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there is something I don't understand: shouldn't I be able to press the second cut now with the new genesis present?
asciilifeform: ( i.e. the text in 'UPDATE #1' )
asciilifeform: considering that i made the new genesis by pressing and re-vdiffing, there should be no differences aside from the timestamp cut.
mod6: when i went to press, bzzzt.
mod6: now, on the other hand, yeah, i saw the second_cut vpatch link removed from loper... but I went ahead and updated my sandbox to have alf's latest & greatest mpi-genesis.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, did you take out the second_cut patch link from the updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 ? or am I just not seeing it/not getting something?
diana_coman: I can confirm that the new genesis & the old second_cut vpatch are now at least recognised by mod6's v