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mircea_popescu: but now, short men with pig noses
that can't use maps.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me "china" as
the mythical beast went
to join "egypt". yeah, sure, used
to be
tall men with elegant noses
that invented mapmaking.
mircea_popescu: if you redefine all words
to mean simply "i love you", you will "live" in
the most loving world imaginable.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, i'm just saying
the expression is ~constructed~ so as
to ~by itself~ provide
the universality.
mircea_popescu: much like "chinese have word for
this european phenomenon, it's she cow pig had kittens."
mircea_popescu: mno,
they'd be "oh, rose is bush because in
this poem
they're used interchangeably".
mircea_popescu: this is
the fundamental chinese approach, "oh, x=y" randomly everywhere.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear kingdoms are sufficiently similar
to be discussed in
those
terms.
mircea_popescu: not so clear it's for
this rathjer
than "bad luck with cards", but w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so
then, british empire was "enhabsburgated" because albert
the dick ornament clearly
too dumb
to
tie own shoes ? or was it asteroided, seeing how, well,
the germans fucked
them.
mircea_popescu: cuz what
the fuck do you do, when "dude, get
the fuck out, i was
there, IF IT HAPPENED I WOULD HAVE SEEN IT" doesn't come out ?
mircea_popescu: guy liked playing bacarrat. guy was present at a
table. others (wjho didn't like, and didn't play) picked a cheater. king... ABDICATED
mircea_popescu: this was future king going "five
twerps in me enturage agreed SO
THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO" in court of law.
mircea_popescu: did you, incidentally, read up on
this
tranby croft affair ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's deeply untrue "kind had
trouble
tying own shoes".
the habsburg empire (to
this date a model for wanna-bes, from bahamas' crowd
to merkel etc) ended very much by bombsteroid dropping. but other
than
that,
the last emperor franz as
the last emperor albert-edward had a lot in common : very socialist outset.
mircea_popescu: sure, if we're doing
the romans dun seem
to fit. but we were doing " still waitin' for
the counterexample"
mircea_popescu: "your
technology leverages you 193.446,
too bad you're outnumbered 6.023e23"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform demographic breakdown is what happened
the first
time europe nearly got wiped. "oh, you have
towns and writing ? cute, here's 10e19 orcs from middle earth."
mircea_popescu: seems
to me
that if i
take a flamethrower
to a beehive or if
the queen bee just fucking dies one morning you'd have DIFFERENT situations. not even
then ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:25 mircea_popescu: consider
the armenians ; or
the venetians. both encountered
the exact same problem (not invented by
them, either) : bad demographic breakdown. do you know for a fact
the machined-down zulus had "enhabsburgated" ?
there is such
thing as "cut down in prime", why not.
mircea_popescu: in fact, hussein bahamas could wake up
tomorrow ~and no longer be~ socialist. for
the simplest of reasons -- no longer meeting
teh definition. whereas...
mircea_popescu: i don't fucking posit, "oh,
they were all people, and here's how peopledom goes, on basis of
this example i misrecollect"
mircea_popescu: gimme a break, just because an (unrelated) demented fellow built some great palaces and schonnbrun is well painted dun make some sort of answer
to
the questions of life.
mircea_popescu: it's
the sort of understanding of history of
the sort of people who'd rather be done with it
than anything else.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe "the grand
truths" of european descent have much import outside of a world seen
through european eyes
mircea_popescu: i am unpersuaded "man" as such is
the "transnational" universal socialists want it
to be.
mircea_popescu: i don't even disagree! everything ever will match
this model!
mircea_popescu: "even
the study of math, mp, note you i said
the study not
the object studied, flourishes and dies as described by my model!"
mircea_popescu: so man is
this bipedal animal without feathers and with flat nails who's historical existence is
the model for all
things, stars, continents, societies and any other ideal object ?
mircea_popescu: no dood. fails
to distinguish as in, fails
to distinguish.
the partition it enacts upon
the world is into
two sets :
the set of
the items you invited over
to play
tea
time with, and
the set of
the items you didn't [yet] so invite.
mircea_popescu: that i didn't permit
that proposed
transitivity, and i explained it in
terms of hotpants, doth not mean anything about what we were discussiong.
mircea_popescu: you can't "give examples" as
to
the welfare of chickens by "accidentally having happened
to pick" only cows.
mircea_popescu: the hotpants discussion was when you were
trying
to pass me chickens for cows.
mircea_popescu: the discussion went "oh, you're saying it
tells you nothing actionable ?" "no, i'm saying it doesn't distinguish anything" "oh, so you're saying it
tells you nothing actionable"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 18:18 mircea_popescu:
there's no objective
truth'll get you into a girl's hotpants. you realise
this ?
mircea_popescu: all hail
to me,
the discoverer of
the last word in math.
mircea_popescu: all hail
to me,
the discoverer of
the last word in math.
mircea_popescu: in exchange i'll give you
this great
tool : math is a great model for math. because whenever math works, math works, and also -- when doesn't... doesn't.
mircea_popescu: at which you'll say
that "sure,
the model of life includes
this also" and i'll congratulate you on your great model and move on.
mircea_popescu: consider
the armenians ; or
the venetians. both encountered
the exact same problem (not invented by
them, either) : bad demographic breakdown. do you know for a fact
the machined-down zulus had "enhabsburgated" ?
there is such
thing as "cut down in prime", why not.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well,
this'll quickly devolve into semantics. how would we establish what passes ?
mircea_popescu: the objection is
that in being an universally arguable, it
therefore is an universal waste of
time.
mircea_popescu: objection was
that it doesn't distinguish between anything and anything, not moreso
than, at
the most, between "the set of
things about which i could be arsed
to
think
the five minues
that;d produce support for it and
the set of
things i wasn't yet so arsed"
mircea_popescu: you understand
this, if i and you are florentines, and you
teach me
the facts of life,
there's a very fundamental difference between "a. get boat ; b. use lodestone, navigate ; c. find curio ; d. bring back home. e.
trade for lots of dough and good
things, including a desdemona ; f. strangle her for being a whore" whether i say "i don't know
this lodestone model be worth my
time" or i say "i dunno
this strangling be worth my
mircea_popescu: address it out in
teh open,
talk of models for human society not of models for reality.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you were adressing it by yourself in
the closet.
mircea_popescu: there's no objective
truth'll get you into a girl's hotpants. you realise
this ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you don't perceive
the difference between
the
things we're discussing ?
mircea_popescu: in short, i don't mean
that it dun persuade me "it's
the case". it dun persuade me it's worth my
time as a model.
mircea_popescu: "it broadly works" "yes, it does. you know what else broadly works ? everything else children do
to coo
themselves
to sleep"
mircea_popescu: what else. planets,
too, stars also, everything ? what's
the use of
this unviersally applicable model, precisely ?
mircea_popescu: but consider --
the notion
that objects "live, age, die" also dun strike you ?