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williamdunne: ben_vulpes: It was already intended, so I could hide some lego in the image
mircea_popescu has kicked ben_vulpes for treason and undermining the national economy
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG << you know you don't *have* to do everything he says
mircea_popescu: davout hey, not my fault they know how to make a salmon and parmezan sammich.
jurov: if rucola's bitter, then it's stale
davout: mircea_popescu: "my salmon sandwiches at that cafe" <<< and i'm the hipster?!
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you drew that ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: jurov: Yeah I'll redraw the whole image and make it SVG
mircea_popescu: (italian fashion, somehow teh usians got crazy over it at some point. like a self-flagellation tiramisu)
ben_vulpes: this is true in sa as well?
mircea_popescu: pretty much called rucola throughout europe, except for france.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's called rucola when i had it in my salmon sandwiches at that cafe
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126991 << myeah. except the "code red" is not what bitcointalk forum derps imagine it is. the code red is, has been for the entire history and likely will remain at least for a while simpler stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126993 ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: "Civilization in the New World has very deep and ancient roots." yeah, and like any case of micropenis, we gotta go digging for it VEEERY carefully.
fluffypony: davout: when I was in the USA I wanted to buy some for a pasta sauce I was making, took me 25 minutes at Whole Foods to figure out that they call it "arugula"
jurov: or straight back to vectors. 3k then
mircea_popescu: how about going the full step and making it like 30k
davout: cherry tomatoes... lol.
mircea_popescu: hanbot did that iirc.
mircea_popescu: hahaha. cherry tomatoes ?
davout: fuck you all, i'm leaving, going back to brewing my own beer and growing vegetables on my balcony
mircea_popescu: and you got wild hair! wtf no hipster are you talking about!
davout: mircea_popescu: you're the one with the trendy beard
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 10:11:00; davout: oh and ben_vulpes, by 'real computer' I mean any non-Apple machine, that'll always be a good improvememnt :D
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126960 << ruby hipster that despises apple ?! what's this world shattered into! ☝︎
jurov: don't feed the animals!
mircea_popescu: "nobody's in trouble" ? what are you, the kindergarten supervisor ?
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 00:00:19; pete_dushenski: Fast fwd to yesterday. I wasn't home yet from work, but my wife tells me local LE showed up and wanted to have a "chat". Asked if I or anone had ever ordered anything illicit in the mail. Said "nobody's in trouble, we're just following up on something that might be nothing"."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1126849 << the incredible smarm of us coppers. ☝︎
danielpbarron: davout, Arch. i couldn't get it to run on debian
mircea_popescu: davec originally thought it was libnss meanwhile found a "retarded languages should be supported too" thing
davout: and i was confused because i didn't remember that danielpbarron's pogo runs a debian thing, hence able to run bitcoind
davout: from what i grasped, the issue is that glibc is pulling some random bits in, dynamically
jurov: yea, ben_vulpes lives there
jurov stares towards fox kennel
jurov: su was bad at that ☟︎
asciilifeform: when it was, instead, 'who has longest sovereignty cock' - folks willingly died for the glory of $empire, yes
asciilifeform: and the criteria became 'which kingdom can make cheaper jeans'
asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational' ☟︎
asciilifeform: jurov: ultimately, survival is not a rational act, if you think about it. eating a bullet is always 'cheaper'
funkenstein_: thanks, perhaps like the saturn rocket, there will come a day when nobody knows how to build one
jurov: if they did not act 'rationally' su would survive?
assbot: Logged on 24-11-2014 22:59:29; asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-11-2014#933192 << old thread which relates. ☝︎
decimation: but on the flip side you can print scrip and force your subjects to honor it ☟︎
ben_vulpes: reminds me of apple maintaining os x for the intel arch
asciilifeform: what's the ROI on a tank? sub? nuke?
asciilifeform: the 'economically rational' thing to do, is, invariably, to suck cock of highest bidder.
asciilifeform: because sovereignty is not a 'rational' thing
asciilifeform: shortly after they began to act 'rationally' su was no more
asciilifeform: until they decided, again economically entirely rationally, that it costs far too much for no tangible gain
asciilifeform: and that cn, ru silicon sovereignty is a sham of the most laughable kind.
decimation: this is why it looked rational for ibm to pay to take this business off their hands
asciilifeform: dig down, and you will find that most of integrated circuit industry on planet3 ultimately lives and dies by the work of a handful of people.
decimation: yes, and most of the components require constant expert handholding & maintenance
asciilifeform: how many makers of the equipment ?
asciilifeform: (and do we consider refining the si to be part of fab process? my understanding is that it is usually done by separate firm, devoted to it. and how many are there of these ?)
asciilifeform: virtually any item you'd care to name
decimation: you mean things like the euv light source, etc?
asciilifeform: and made, essentially, to order
asciilifeform: one of the reasons why si fab costs what it does is that many of the necessary components are made in 2, 3, locations globally
decimation: at any rate, less than $1 mil for small payloads
decimation: there's no reason why leo need be much more expensive than that
decimation: yeah I think I linked herr walker's rant about how the nazis were only paying about $20k per v-2 launch
asciilifeform: (much of the cost of a launch is political, largely bakshish)
asciilifeform: no one has the faintest idea - how.
decimation: asciilifeform: the only solution is to make silicon fabs cost about 100-1000x less
decimation: em drive uses newton's third law too
asciilifeform: (using presently-known tech, which relies on newton's 3rd law)
asciilifeform: like manned space travel.
asciilifeform: the nasties etc. flow from this
asciilifeform: just the 'palace economy' you inherently get, from a chip fab costing what it costs ☟︎
decimation: yeah, one can insert trapdoor nasties too
asciilifeform: which is, the basic idea of integrated circuit, as we know it, is inherently centralizing
asciilifeform: there is a more fundamental problem here, which i think we discussed in at least one old thread
decimation: but I agree, it would be impossible to make clock-exact version of a silicon cpu without heavy support from the manufacturer
decimation: well, run software and perform a timing analysis
asciilifeform: for another, fpga and the genuine article can never be comparable on account of ruinous delays in the latter
asciilifeform: for one thing, what does it even mean to test one thing against another ?
decimation: if one had a working implementation of a silicon cpu (like msp430), wouldn't you be able to test the silicon version against an fpga simulator?
asciilifeform: which is why i suspect we'll be crafting discrete logic cpu again before this is all over. ☟︎
asciilifeform: hence why ru missile controllers are built using ancient soviet arch, yes, but the fab is winblows-controlled and the design turns from circuit to mask also in winblows ☟︎
asciilifeform: in -every- case, the sc4mz0rz who are willing to use 'a little bit' of usg toolchain, overwhelmingly win on cost and speed
decimation: Maybe cn figures they can use us warez until they grow rich enough to toss a few coin toward this concept
asciilifeform: but this is the ultimate lemon market
decimation: one wonders why these other countries don't perceive this as a 'sovereignty' issue
asciilifeform: nor are their fabs (last i checked) toolchain-clean in terms of 100% usg-free.
asciilifeform: ru has indigenous cpu design tradition, and many of the folks who were at it prior to the great 'warez shift' of mid-'70s, when compatibility with western cpus was mandated from above - are still alive
asciilifeform: cn appears to have no traces whatsoever of any indigenous tradition of cpu design. and they understand what kind of investment would be involved in changing this, and behave perfectly logically from economic point of view, and say 'fuck that'
asciilifeform: even their 'loongson' mips, in latest versions, appears to use the official licensed mips corp. designs.
asciilifeform: cn produces -licensed- arm. this tells you what you need to know about their process.
asciilifeform: (no, cn, ru, etc. are not 'free world' in this sense, they run winblows toolchains and operate overwhelmingly on designs cribbed wholesale without any attempt whatsoever to fit in any head)
asciilifeform: as for the free world, it has -not one chip fab- to its name ☟︎
asciilifeform: as far as usg is concerned, this kind of design -is- proper
decimation: it's clear that man's ability to manufacture small transistors has outstripped his ability to properly design with them
decimation: yeah that's depressing as hell
asciilifeform: virtually everything that is produced today is simply a 'model airplane' glued from opaque libraryturds licensed from N vendors
asciilifeform: decimation: this is absolute SOP among hardware makers
asciilifeform: afaik there are -no- independent (as in, based on published documents) reimplementations of arm in production today.
decimation: so you get a 'partially compiled' black box turd? it's amazing hardware vendors put up with that kind of shit