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ascii_field: how many zeros
to weld on
to
the price, his business
jurov: mp is
the only one
to qualify being on mpex, didn't you know?
ascii_field: aha
too cheap. lusers like asciilifeform can almost afford 30
mircea_popescu: keys are identities. identities have
to qualify
themselves.
the qualification happens
to be pay 30 btc.
ascii_field: aha,
to upgrade key, mircea_popescu has
to
take a прогресс м-27м
to orbit, and unscrew
the old one,
then retro-thruster and parachute capsule back
to b-a
mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have
to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key
they don't want
to use anymore and
they can "upgrade"
theirs
to yours.
☟︎ ascii_field: this is... 7th
time? we had
the 'mpex discourages key upgrade'
thread ?
mircea_popescu: jurov we're
talking about
this situation where
the
total number of keys mpex charges for is =
to
the maximal number of keys ever used.
that is not happening.
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell nubbins` yo nooblet, make a pink eyes banner ? :D
jurov: we're
talking about upgrading gpg keys according
to known protocol, not some ski masks
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <nubbins`> bbl doing
things
jurov: does
the bank stops you from accessing your account when you get new suit?
mircea_popescu: go into
the shop get a new one made, what. you want
to
turn
the old one in for a new one ?
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:13:18; ascii_field:
this is his greatest error and i'm not afraid
to point at it
trinque: to me
these are actually
the most interesting use cases of
the
thing
trinque: then make reference
to
that deed when you use
that schema later down
the way
trinque: so you could publish some schema for representing
this and arbitrarily other such statements into
the deedbot
mircea_popescu: My new key is X, use of Y key past
this point is unsupported. Signed by Y.
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:10:26; ascii_field: or rather, communicating authoritatively
the statement
that 'anyone using
this key after
this moment is an impostor'
mircea_popescu: ah, but mind
that
there's no in principle reason a computer might not exist.
ascii_field: i'm from
the shit
that actually works within physical limits dept.
ascii_field: just as digital computer,
theoretically, does not exist. but
the approximation we use is 'almost same'
ascii_field: aha. but whatever approximation is physically possible, with clearly stated limits, ought
to be achieved.
ascii_field: otherwise you get disputes and wankery where
there should be 2+2 certainty.
ascii_field: pegging
temporality requires some kind of agreement on mechanism
mircea_popescu: so,
the key is
there. how do you COLOR it,
that's your job.
ascii_field: they cannot be undiscovered, yes. and don't have a baked-in
temporal peg
ascii_field: remember
the 'what colour are your bits' article.
ascii_field: not
that extant gpg honors expiration dates,
to virtually everybody's great annoyance
ascii_field: without
the current idiotic retroactive cancellation of signatures
ascii_field: merely suggesting a machine-readable standard for
this, yes.
mircea_popescu: you have a comment field in
the keys as
they are now. put in
there "This key not valid after block 175552"
ascii_field: this plus rsa is good enough
to sig-only-revoke.
ascii_field: we have
technology
that can, with some certainty, prove
that i did something at a certain moment in epoch
time, plus or minus
ten minutes
mircea_popescu: without human mediation,
this is more of
the "smart contracts" coolaid.
mircea_popescu: people have a way of coming
to odds with
their intentions
ascii_field: and have
this cemented in blockchain, on babylonian stone plinths, wherever
mircea_popescu: intentions need not be nor can
they be part of signed matter.
ascii_field: but
there -must- be a way
to proclaim, with all
the certainty
that can be mustered,
the fact
that 'i signed with
this before but -never intend
to again-'
mircea_popescu: there are some
things
that don't need fixing. what needs fixing re gpg is
to use rsa
throughout, rather
than
the current lulzatron.
ascii_field: one cannot claim
the same degree of 'hardness' for
this as for
the actual rsa, correct
mircea_popescu: ascii_field makes keys
too big, doesn't actually offer anything other
than
the equivalent "at key promulgation, use it
to sing a list of nonces, with understanding
that statements w/io
the nonce are void", let wot enforce
this.
ascii_field: one could picture a few 'cheats.' consider one: key, when promulgated, contains a large but finite set of values Q such
that hash(hash(...(P)...) = Q, while P are retained as private. every signature must contain a unique Q from
this set. when it is
time
to retire
the key, you spend
the remaining 'bullets' all at once.
jurov: so, in 10 years 4096bit keys will stand in danger of cracking, what do you do? force everyone
to pay 20-30btc again?
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 18:03:07; ascii_field: if
there is a 'key is dead'
token
that one is relying on some
third party
to keep secret - it can be captured
mircea_popescu: keys never expire.
the meaning you give
them may expire, and
that's entirely your own personal problem. but otherwise, once found,
the integers are
there and can be multiplied.
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 17:06:45; jurov: kakobrekla: but
that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes
the key as dead
Adlai: although
there is some common ground between fiat and what i'm
talking about, which is: neither of
them "exist"
Adlai is not
talking about fiat
trading
Adlai heard
there's still coin burning holes in
that pocket
Adlai: mircea_popescu: how'd you like
to open another PC?
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mircea_popescu: owner 2 can always repudiate future signatures on
the grounds
that "it wasn't really me"
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 19:23:06; mircea_popescu: davout make a paymium banner
then!
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 19:33:38; kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially.
The
trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins
to pay for its ongoing expenses.
Therefore,
the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over
time.
ascii_field: (magnetic amps long pre-date semiconductors. nazis used
them in subs, rockets, for instance)
ascii_field: -not-, pointedly, a relay -
there is no mechanical motion or wear
ascii_field: basic idea is a
transformer whose output varies, given as a second (or more) circuit gets
to saturate (or not) its core.
jurov: or build schodinger boxes (with
trade engine instead of cat within)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how do you propose
to deliver neutrons selectively where you want it
to pop ?
decimation: supposedly ibm open sourced
the full specs
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you have a discrete cristalline lattice of U, selected nodes get energized
to
the point
they split, creating Xe
decimation: I
think
tyan is coming out with a mobo soon
decimation: ascii_field: did you see
that ibm has licensed
third parties
to produce 'power8' servers?
mircea_popescu: actually - lasered into a chunk of uranium, so
that selected atoms
turn into gas.
Adlai notes
that JP "Morgan" Buntix left out
the customer qualification criterion
ascii_field: machine
then is made entirely of classically conductive material.
ascii_field realized
that one could, in principle, microfabricate logical circuits made of magnetic amplifiers (as seen in well-known 'сетунь'
trinary computer)
mircea_popescu: !rate silbert -1 Arrogantly ignorant
twerp, de facto scammer
through it.
kakobrekla: > Each BIT share represented ownership of 0.1 bitcoins initially.
The
trust will not generate any income and regularly sells/distributes bitcoins
to pay for its ongoing expenses.
Therefore,
the amount of bitcoin represented by each share gradually declines over
time.
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