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mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, we agree. i don't visit
the us for
the exact same reasons.
mircea_popescu: tbh
the best part was where she didn't wanna
take a
trip
to
the us because satan lives
there.
justJanne: I
took several undergrad classes in politics, macroeconomy, and political philosophy, I know what I'm
talking about ;P
☟︎ mircea_popescu: justJanne just because you
think yourself equal
to
things you don't understand doesn't make 'em so :D
justJanne: Just because
the legal system of
The most serene dictatorship was written by amateurs doesn't mean it's good.
trinque: dear god europe allows "it's not fair"
to dissolve contracts?
mircea_popescu: in most of
the world (defined as africa), females must have
their bits cut off.
justJanne: If
the contract is worded so
that it provides and obvious disadvantage for one party, it is void.
mircea_popescu: the counterpart being
that you can never impose a contract on anyone.
mircea_popescu: hey, lex pacta. you can make a contract say whatever you wish it
to say
justJanne: But
the other party is always bound
to it?
justJanne: One party can give
the contract
to another person,
justJanne: We have a contract between
two parties.
justJanne: Debt as a liability and debt as an asset have
to be
treated
the same.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that i convey a claim against you
to him does not mean he inherited it from me.
williamdunne: justJanne: No it doesn't, you know I meant debt as if in
the liability not
the asset
justJanne: Because either contracts are inheritable, or
they are not.
justJanne: So,
then debt is only inheritable in some cases?
mircea_popescu: fascinating what cultural nationality
turns out
to be.
justJanne: Can your children force
the person
to pay?
mircea_popescu perceives
the deep, faint marks of ancient saxon legal strictures in
the girl's attempt.
justJanne: And if yes, why are
they so different from debt contracts?
justJanne: So,
the question is, should inheriting
these contracts be possible?
justJanne: But
the contract is again bound
to you.
justJanne: But
the contract is specifically signed
to you.
justJanne: Most stocks are a contract saying
that you pay money, in return get a part of
the profits and
the power over a company.
justJanne: You said inheriting debts shouldn't be a
thing.
mircea_popescu: that's
the way it goes. if you have children, you lose your juvenile figure.
justJanne: You lose something due
to
the bad choices of your parents.
justJanne: Thing is, of you have
to work and can't go
to school,
chetty: <justJanne> When your parents are so piss poor you have
to work as a child
to not starve.// some might consider
that an advantage
justJanne: But for
the person, it is
the same.
justJanne: Debt is a responsibility of having
to pay, yes.
justJanne: When your parents are so piss poor you have
to work as a child
to not starve.
justJanne: May
those debts be monetary, or indirect.
justJanne: Where is
the difference between having
to pay
the debts of your parents
justJanne: The situation
that you live in a place with
taxes is neither your punishment nor you'd responsibility.
justJanne: Okay, so, mircea_popescu,
taxes are
the same
williamdunne: We're not all equal, but I don't want
to make it worse for you
mircea_popescu: moreover,
the situation where you're poor because daddy was a drunk is neither your punishment nor your responsibility.
justJanne: So, people should be held responsible for
the actions of
their ancestors.
justJanne: Because I said "people aren't responsible for
the actions of
their ancestors"
williamdunne: What was
the actual answer, because not giving
them equal chances is very different
mircea_popescu: for instance, i didn't say people should be punished for what ancestors did. you conflated
two statements : 1)
that you can't expect me
to pay for
the poor behaviour of one's ancestors and 2)
that i punish people by what
they are rather
than
they wish
to be.
justJanne: williamdunne: it was used as defense against my argument
that "children should have equal chances, no matter if
their parents are poor or rich"
mircea_popescu: justJanne
the impression you get comes from you observing what's being said with
too broad a brush.
williamdunne: Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for
the decisions of
their ancestors,
they can even be punished for
them. <<< who actually said
this, I'm curious about
the justification
justJanne: Combined,
the statements are nuts.
justJanne: Some others said
taxes are bad, because you personally aren't responsible for
them.
justJanne: Some people said, before, people should be held responsible for
the decisions of
their ancestors,
they can even be punished for
them.
justJanne: And combined,
these people's opinions would cancel each other our.
williamdunne: Thats what happens when you
talk
to a group of people
justJanne: The largest issue is
that many people discussed with me, each having different opinions.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: most of
the discussion flows as "comonly held belief 1" "why" "because 2" "why" "because 3" why" "because 1.1" etc
chetty: I havent read
the whole log but I am curious, is anyone
trying
to convince, or just stating facts?
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't
that we're going "off
topic", as
there isn't a
topic.
the problem is
that you very badly suck at most verbal and cognitive
tasks. but hopefully we've run
the gamut by now.
justJanne: Anyway, why are we still arguing? I said I have no issue with you
trying
to build your state system, I just don't believe it will last, and you guys spending 14h
trying
to convince me
the system I like most is shit.
justJanne: Anyway, we are going way off
topic.
williamdunne: A university dedicate
to not sharing information, not very socialist of
them
justJanne: As access
to
the intranet is bound
through X.509
to a user account
mircea_popescu: what, you want her
to end up in aaron schwartz's cell ?
justJanne: You can get it if you are in
their intranet,
though.
justJanne: But Kiel's mathematicians refuse
to put anything on
the public web.
justJanne: The mathematicians in Kiel still refuse
to use calculators or computers.
justJanne: williamdunne: please
take stochastics 101 at a university,