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gabriel_laddel: To
those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs
that" I will note
that we *know*
the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on
top of OpenGL.
They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want
to win wars, but I'm willing
to bet
that someone on Earth does. One easy way
to free up eng
gabriel_laddel: y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering
to
their needs. System76 exists,
they sell linux computers but
their machines suck because
they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly,
the marketing for all
these companies sucks and I don't
think it'll be
terribly difficult
to do far better.
gabriel_laddel: DE (with all
the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting
the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly
this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program
that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in
gabriel_laddel: I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan
to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts
to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from
this, various products I'd like
to make and sell: a CL only I
gabriel_laddel: ll solve
these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/
that
the notion
there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.
gabriel_laddel: etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour
trying
to figure out what
the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's
time worth? My point is not
that Masamune wi
gabriel_laddel: ^ It appears
that I should properly make
the business case. If
the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed
to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you
try
to enable
the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of
the systems, `build' builds, `test'
tests
gabriel_laddel: hinks he has some kind of divine exception from
the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
gabriel_laddel: *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel
that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess
that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see
the money part.
this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo:
the way i understand, he
t assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 18:44:12;
trinque: ascii_field: in your mind is cardano not
this kind of pragmatic first step
towards future hardware production?
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field:
trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely
that he is willing
to compromise -too much- rather
than not enough. << ...
gabriel_laddel: trinque: but
the guy was dead set on building
this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: after he beats
the word "waste" into your skull << ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you may at best go work for
the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: sorta like
the only other outfit of
that period,
thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard
that
their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all
the brains and lisp machines
they could possibly want. Related
to
the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been
told
they bought a firetruck
to play with (wtf,
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I am sorry, you are doomed
to suffer hetrogyny
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but
this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol
gabriel_laddel: re
to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever
that means, idk).
gabriel_laddel: g a business. EG: from what I can
tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go
to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins
that you can spend at select hotels or
trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense
to fill
the lives of shmucks whose
time isn't worth anything and aspi
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is
the long and
the short of it. << I see no reason
that
this must be
the case, but yes, fiat-land
tends
to breed engineers who are
terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also
tends
to make idiot managers. IMHO much of
this is because of all
the inane nonsense involved in runnin
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, Marvel did somewhat not stupid depiction of
tactical nukes in a Disney movie
Hasimir: no doubt
they've also
trawled archives of alt.anon.messages
Hasimir: though chances are No Such Agency have already broken
the old ones out of habit
BingoBoingo: Hasimir: No, I am surprised all of
this other shit is getting Fucktored 1stest
Hasimir: v2 keys are pretty simple,
though
BingoBoingo: Apparently ye olde keys perfectly factorable in a
targeted manner... stronger
than
turd keys
Hasimir: now 2.1.4 is modded
to make stupidly large keys
too ...
Hasimir: though 1.4.19 has been adjusted
to generate large keys
mircea_popescu: much more interesting would be an assay of
the various windows and perhaps mac implementations
Hasimir: and it usually gives different errors for
those it rejects, which you can match
to specific symptoms in
the code
mircea_popescu: Hasimir minus
the fact
that it imports unsigned keys (badly signed it rejects, but unsigned at all seem an exception ?), gpg generally doesn't import
the diddled exponent keys yeah
Hasimir: BingoBoingo, if it's
too far below zero it might freeze inside your urethra ... breaking
the ice would not be a good
thing
then
BingoBoingo: WTF is wrong with pissing in
the freezer and
then quitting
Hasimir: the other way
to find
that one, even without
the uid is with his old email address: proff@suburbia.apana.org.au
Hasimir: also, see if you can
test
this key ID: 0xCC61ADFF159B44ED (another one missing a UID, but in
this case it was made in '94, by a certain expat aussie residing in an Ecuadorian embassy in London ...)
BingoBoingo finally giving Missouri wine a chance
tonight. WOrks for endrunkening
Hasimir: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, I was looking in gpg's import source code for an unrelated
thing and noticed something, it won't give you
the answer, but it might help narrow
the search - read
through
the code and code comments in g10/import.c of
the current master repo, it goes
through
the specific key error
types and subkey fragment
types
that gpg won't import (which also happens
to be most of
the keys on
The List)
BingoBoingo: OMG asciilifeform Regina George is 8 years older
than Cady!!!
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts
to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
mircea_popescu: all
the way up
to an afore-unknown property of
the mathematical structures involved.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we were idly discussing
the "what could have causes weak keys", i pointed out
that so far it could be a lotta
things
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:11:31; BingoBoingo: I
think someone stuck
their dick in numbers and made
this pattern possibru
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:10:09; mircea_popescu: Hasimir he doesn't mean [i
take it]
that someone was doing research which involved
these keys. he was responding
to me saying
that for all we know,
this is a property OF NUMBERS somehow
Vexual: maryland kinda close
to dc no?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:01:48; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois was compelled by courts
to offer "carry" on a basis where basically al non-felon comers are welcome
Vexual: bb is right
tho, where swedish is
the swhahili of western europe
Hasimir: I believe
that falls into
the category of enlightened self-interest ;)
Hasimir: it's in one of
the bitbucket
t=issues
Hasimir: well,
that and having
to explain
to
the python-gnupg dev why people might want
to sign something with 2 keys
☟︎ trinque: if
there are messages out
there
that are interesting
to deedbot in other encodings,
they'd otherwise be excluded
Hasimir: that's one of
the reasons I started looking at pyme ...
trinque: ah, well at least with
this
thing
the output's able
to be checked, neh?
decimation: I don't
trust 8-bit character handling code
trinque: decimation: I'm fine with requiring ascii
too; what's
the argument behind
that?
trinque: found
the mention of it in
the docs
Hasimir: I
think I might've submitted
the bug report on
that one ...
Hasimir: yeah, setting
that
to latin-1 just works with everything ...
Hasimir: trinque, oh, is
this
the python-gnupg gpg.encoding
thing?
trinque: decimation: I don't see why it can't handle utf8;
the sqlite db it munches on is
trinque: trying
to encode some bits as latin1, and
there are characters in
this outside
that set
decimation: just
turn 8-bit ascii characters into
tildes
trinque: nah,
the python
thing diddling gpg is just
trying
to
trinque: though
that's something I'll fix.
mircea_popescu: "I walked out of
the back office in a state of absolute shock. I’d just become a
twenty–first century sharecropper. I couldn’t find outside work without winding up homeless — and I couldn’t leave
the state because
three bucks of gas money won’t get you past Walnut Creek — and I couldn’t get paid because
there was no money
to pay anyone with."
mircea_popescu: so your deedbot is going
to break over someone citing a nick ?
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 04:05:08; mircea_popescu: somehow
the obvious "Don't do drm, you'll be involved with
the sort of people who do drm" doesn't occur
to his mind.
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno anyone gave a shit, just, whatever freenode
takes.
mircea_popescu: (pretty much exactly same story, separated by
two decades and a gender gap_
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 03:47:14; mircea_popescu:
they don't even know whom
to jail for
the most recent leak on
trilema.
mircea_popescu: decimation we're not enforcing
that policy re irc handles
tho
Hasimir: decimation, I prefer
to view it as a new (event) horizon
decimation: and if someone has a name
that can't be romanized? fuck'em -
they can romanize or have no identity
decimation: do you realize what kind of black hole python is being forced into ...
to be polite?
mircea_popescu: they should be
thankful
the names don't get
translated!
Hasimir: decimation, I like
to print people's names correctly,
to do otherwise when it is possible is just unnecessarily rude
trinque: Hasimir: yup, it's exploding deep within python gnupg
though.