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Vexual: i assumed vault was just a word that presumed they were better than apple at storing nudes, so i didnt look
asciilifeform: at any rate, google is ripping off folks like https://www.nitrokey.com and the two or three similar items discussed in previous logs
Vexual: so you might tread thru shit
Vexual: none of this shoehorn a shit onto your shit
asciilifeform: onetimepad with goose quill pens and dice is still more credible alternative than anything out of usg & co.
decimation: asciilifeform: note that usg doesn't really need to be 'good', it's just that there's no credible alternative
asciilifeform: http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2014/08/the-nsa-tried-this-before-what-the-90s-debate-over-the-clipper-chip-can-teach-us-about-digital-privacy-debates << moar on the subject. tabloid, but with pretty picturez.
asciilifeform: the first time around, they made the mistake of being honest about the intentions of backdooring
asciilifeform: for young people >> https://epic.org/crypto/clipper << the original usg cardano.
asciilifeform: auditability? what's that.
asciilifeform: 'It also has an NFC chip and an antenna (for proving that you are in control and that it’s correctly authorized).' l0l!!!
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm seeing a microsd single-chip turd
asciilifeform: can't wait for the usg cardano.
thestringpuller: suspiciously similar to cardano
thestringpuller: anyone see anything about this project vault by google?
decimation: some people like to live in a civilized place, as opposed to barbarous
asciilifeform: why the hell would anyone pay anyone to, e.g., kill mosquitoes, when 'deadheads' who paid nothing still get the 'product' (avoiding bites) ?
asciilifeform: no one will ever make a living, much less get rich, selling the sun.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that 'selling os' is a terrible business
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:49; mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:41; mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"
asciilifeform: (buncha derps get fed by usg for pretending to operate in bitcoin; very different affair)
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
asciilifeform: and that no one ought to be surprised by this
asciilifeform: the other basic observation is that bitcoin per se feeds no one
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:00:50; mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-05-2015#1128353 << this. ☝︎
decimation: what ever came of that startup that is re-writing bitcoin in go or whatever
asciilifeform: wake me up when there exists anything other than hobbyists in the space.
decimation: it could be rebuilt, but not without the resources of a rich prince
asciilifeform: there -exists- software not crafted out of duct tape and gum
asciilifeform: (see old mircea_popescu thread re: proof)
decimation: well, because what do they have? excel?
asciilifeform: out of duct tape and chewing gum, and, to add insult to injury, cannot really be rebuilt
asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented ☟︎
decimation: heh yeah when reading that bastards section I ran into "CCriticalSection" stuff - which apparently all came from mfc shit
asciilifeform: (notice, incidentally, that cpp is virtually unused outside the microturd world ?)
decimation: yeah but folks don't realize the crime yet, apparently
asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons why i - in all seriousness - believe c++ to be one of the 20th century's greatest crimes against the future.
decimation: right. and one thing that infuriates me about std::vector - for instance - is that it's not exactly clear when free() is gonna be called
asciilifeform: as in, memory --> +inf as t --> +inf
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, we no longer have classical leakage
decimation: I guess I'm saying: did satoshi fail to clean up clutter as he went along?
asciilifeform: not impossible, but 'first rule out the usual suspects, then - miracles'
asciilifeform: decimation: when formally freed ? that'd be a gcc bug
decimation: do you think it's possible that C++ is 'helpfully' holding on to allocated memory?
asciilifeform: on the other hand, it -is- a candidate for the possible hidey-hole of the 'phantom' ram
asciilifeform: just has the appearance of something one could perhaps shave a MB or two off, total.
asciilifeform: anyway none of my tests lay blame on bdb for continuous memory-eating
mod6: yeah, its not in there.
asciilifeform: for what is and isn't on the gameboard.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb... << but anyway, yeah, I'll check anyway. there is a chance that we could be looking at two seperate versions.
mod6: well, if one starts with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE built with auto.sh, then BDB 4.8.30 will be built with it.
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm using the auto.sh build
asciilifeform: not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max << OH. ok did not realize that. damn. well, i'll mention this fact in next months letter. should hvae asked.
mod6: I should have put in a line maybe about "encouraged to read the submitted emails" or something, but perhaps I just thought it was implied.
asciilifeform: our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max
asciilifeform: oh perhaps i should mention that i tested the db memory thing
asciilifeform: (it works without the patch but you can't take runtime heap snapshots then)
asciilifeform: mod6: the igprof thing was its own patch
asciilifeform: so the statement in the report - holds.
asciilifeform: mod6: i would comment that technically the block-bastardage and tx-orphanage nukes are semantically independent. but the latter was derived from a main.cpp patched with the former.
asciilifeform: decimation: in both cases, 'martian' - that is to say, unverifiable with info at hand - blocks (or transactions) are indistinguishable from garbage at time of receipt
decimation: yeah, but there's a difference between "here's our history; you verify" and "pls to give transactions"
asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node!
asciilifeform: but afaik they no longer ship the dead tree
asciilifeform: lispworks is actually (afaik to this day) the maintainer of the online cl hyperspec! while documentation from franz was once superb - came in printed volumes, which i bought second-hand
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world << i never had lispworks and can't comment about it, but franz 'allegro' does come with clim. iirc it only works in the non-smp version though, and depends on gtk
decimation: why does every node need to reverify it?
decimation: asciilifeform: forgive my ignorance, but there's a single valid path through the blockchain
asciilifeform: it is a consequence of how screamingly retarded the sync mechanism is to begin with
Adlai: both are too heavy to wield manually but electron microscopes, unlike the boeing, lack self-propulsion
asciilifeform: decimation: asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be ... this is still reasoning from the misconception that 'bastards' necessarily come from malicious or malfunctioning nodes. this is not the case - a 0.5.3.x will emit bastards - from point of view of certain nodes - just as often as any other
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address ☟︎
asciilifeform: Adlai: nah, that's microscopes
Adlai: i've heard they're great for hammering in nails
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for? << extremely bad question. is a boeing worth paying for? depends!
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be to make an irc/gossip/udp net that requires proof of wot membership to join
decimation: re: gold standard doesn't work < yeah this might be the case, but nearly all of the criticisms offered would apply equally to bitcoin
ben_vulpes: trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world
ben_vulpes: Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for?
ben_vulpes: rewriting the block explorer now, Adlai ?
Adlai found that in the gribble source, didn't realize it was just parotting a value from elsewhere
mircea_popescu: you could have asked THAT , it's not uknown.
asciilifeform: y'know, it isn't hard to test for all known types of virtualizer from inside
Adlai: aha, the culprit is https://blockexplorer.com/q/estimate
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 22:53:20; midnightmagic: williamdunne: If you're quick enough, I suppose. Also, this is presuming the host itself isn't in some fashion pwned, since who knows how it was actually compromised considering the physical drives are unavailable for examination.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149172 << that is always and without exception the sign of a vps being sold as fake "dedicated" ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the time the 4096 ounce bag should have been enough for everyone.
Adlai: gotta leave something to work for
Adlai: nonsense, satoshi had every clue about proper code, but he didn't want to make it too easy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: granted, but 'don't let strangers throw ten pounds of shit each into your five-pound bag' is not higher mathematics ...?
mircea_popescu: and someone coding in windows and without much of a clue about programming as a theoretical discipline.
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 21:27:33; asciilifeform: i don't even apprehend why this 'jam tomorrow' nonsense was even in there in the first place.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1149145 << you have to appreciate the situation at the time. not that many nodes alive or expected, and a certain desperation to "make it work". ☝︎
asciilifeform: anyway, for all who want, replace 'return true;' in 'if' block where begins with printf("ProcessBlock: BASTARD... with 'if (pfrom) pfrom->Misbehaving(whateverconstant)'
mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do ?
asciilifeform: once we have a reasonable 'embrace and extend' of sync mechanism - then yes
mircea_popescu: how else do you think me and you is born ?