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decimation: or how it worked out for
the anti-chinese vietnamese
decimation: or how it worked out for
the anti-asad syrians
decimation: the red army was famous for putting machine gunners behind
the
troops, for encouragement
Landgull: Ascii: 1) I can buy a plane
ticket somewhere else if a real invasion happened. 2) If
the Russians came into
the Ukrainian speaking part of Ukraine,
they'd be fighting a massive guerrilla war...they're succeeding in Donetsk and Luhansk because
the people
there are Russians and have a Russian identity.
decimation: or encourage you
to do your patriotic duty
decimation: they don't have
to buy it for some army or other
to show up
to 'liberate'
them
Landgull: But seriously, it
takes 10 minutes of
talking
to actual Ukrainians walking around here
to see
that
they haven't bought USgov propaganda properly. As much as
the information net wants you
to believe it's
the same everywhere, it isn't.
decimation: asciilifeform: I bought one of
those
termteks, gonna see if it works
Landgull: And
the US corruption of
the Maidan.
Landgull: Well,
the Ukrainians have
thrown more molotovs at
their government
than anyone else recently.
Landgull: And most people in
the world don't have
the culture of violence
that
the US does.
Landgull: Most governments don't have
the kind of resources
to do US style insanity.
decimation: russia and china have
thier own versions
Landgull: But I'm not advocating
trying
to migrate
to North Korea.
Landgull: ...except
the only gulags
that still exist are in
the USA.
decimation: Landgull:
the point is
that when
they want
to
throw you in
the gulag, nicities like 'we liked americans' mean jack shit
Landgull: Plenty hate
the American government.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. We are limited
to
the border swamps
Landgull: ...I'm
telling you from having been
to a number of places and
talked
to a number of people, I've yet
to meet anyone who hates American people.
Landgull: Ascii: No-one really hates Americans, unless you're
the socks with sandals
type.
decimation: indeed.
then your only choice is
to live under a stump like
that one guy
Landgull: You can buy enough rental properties in Lviv
to live indefinitely with indefinite free
time for ~$100k USD.
☟︎ Landgull: I guess it depends on what pieces of life you consider living. I'm not arguing
that it's easier
to get out of
the US, if it were easier it would be done.
Landgull: Fair points as well. And I'm not suggesting Lviv as a specific destination, I'm here meeting
the girlfriend's family -
though it's really quite a nice city.
decimation: sure, dollar pollution is high in
the us, but
that's where I'm stuck. like ascii, my wot is here
Landgull: Decimation: As do I. But
that's much easier
to achieve when your expenses are $500, not $5,000.
decimation: Landgull: I desire
to work 0 hours per month for someone else
Landgull: So, if you sold
those skills freelance, for $100 an hour, you could work for 10 hours a month and live very comfortably in most parts of
the world.
Landgull: Fair enough. All I know is
that I'd plow fields
to avoid going back
to
the US.
Landgull: Well, what do you do in
the USA now? And Putin has no interest in Lviv.
decimation: let us know when Putin
the Great asks for german colonists
to come back
to odessa
Landgull: Well, if you're smart enough
to know how
to allocate memory in C, you can find a way
to earn $500 a month anywhere in
the world.
BingoBoingo: <Landgull> I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down
to
the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for
the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50 << Welcome
to my back yard
BingoBoingo: <Landgull> Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country
that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able
to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire. << Alf is in a more dangerous position. He is an excellent flenser and polisher. Intellectually uninteresting work will shave decades off of his life.
Landgull: I'm in Lviv, Ukraine right now. I can walk down
to
the market and buy a kilo of fresh strawberries for
the local equivalent of $.50, and a bottle of vodka for $2.50
decimation: Landgull: I
think ascii's goal is
to sleep ad libitum
Landgull: Well, you strike me as a pretty decent coder/developer, ascii. In any country
that is an outsourcing location for devs, being able
to develop and being a native English speaker makes you a valuable hire.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: Come
to scenic southern illinois!
Landgull: Sure. But
there are still plenty of parts of
the world where
the food supply comes from within 100 miles of
the city.
Landgull: Fair enough. I haven't been
to Georgia yet, I'm hoping
to visit sometime in
the next few months.
Landgull: CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out,
there are plenty of ways out.
Landgull: Bingo: Go
to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a
trip across a border
to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming
the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: Understand most places where
teaching English for money is a
thing are awfully xenophobic
to white people as residents. Like Korea.
Landgull: Well, by
the
time
the US is done, you should have found some way
to integrate yourself into
the local community.
trinque: I have a buddy learning
that now
Landgull: Or
to go
to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and
teach English.
trinque: that and coffee wake me up in
the morning
trinque: only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems
to be
to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and *in
time*
BingoBoingo: My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case
that constrains my
travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help
to keep out of
the nursing home.
Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of
the US,
that would strangle
the beast.
☟︎ Landgull: Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way
to 1) have legal residence in a 0%
tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed
to go if
the world suddenly decides
that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about.
trinque: my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better
than a happy citizen of
the reich
BingoBoingo: But as
that changes situation will get moar desperate
Landgull: If you're avoiding
the US, you want
to establish at
the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for
the
tax exemption.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: I'd like
to
travel
though as nobody
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if every
time i went
to buy a quart of milk
the
teller asked me what
time it is...
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and
time are
too far off (typically by months or years,)
then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source
tarballs. "
Landgull: Bingo - if central America looks good
to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place
to flee
to.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows
to get
the strength
to get
to chinups/pullups. In
the interim cutting weight
to make
that stuff easier.
mod6: gabriel_laddel: ok
thanks for
the heads up
BingoBoingo: In other news,
training
to get into shape for boxing
training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able
to
try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus
☟︎ trinque: gabriel_laddel: PSA
that deedbot likes
to eat manifests
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you're going
to be doing code preservation you prolly want
to hash and deed like i did on
the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers.
gabriel_laddel: also, I've a frozen stage3
tarball you may want
to use