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diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah, in general it will be, yes; this is quite particular as it is a rather big block of not-totally-sane code that is imported basically
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, they could, there's no question there; but they are text as it is, not sure what the big gain is (and it would end up in a very long thing)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll suggest a 'p-tronic' format for diffs. N\........ specifies N retained-of-a octets (e.g., 5\abcde )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 21:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem yeah. will however have to be bit, wtf else to do.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595796 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596582 << a few old threads , for folx thinking about diff ) ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: a kk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eventually we are gonna need a sane replacement for unix diff/patch. one that not only has e.g. selectable hashtronics but knows what movement and deletion of files is
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2... After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
asciilifeform: programmers see kindness as weakness, diana_coman . borrow a spiked bat from mircea_popescu , it will work wonders.
asciilifeform: for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
mircea_popescu: as one man said to another once, "if the design impedes you, this will be no problem, as we'll fucking make a new design"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
mircea_popescu: why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'd make a new genesis, for eucrypt, and patch it with mpi. this patch will share no .sigs with the other mpi it is text-identical to
asciilifeform: i'ma make a small cartoon example, brb
asciilifeform: where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
asciilifeform: when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
asciilifeform: ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity
asciilifeform: it is exceedingly difficult to revise this kind of thing at a later time.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
asciilifeform: the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
asciilifeform: so in that case it is a linear parent ( grandparent etc ) of your item.
asciilifeform: there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
diana_coman: hm, I thought I need a/mpi b/mpi ; can I have ..what, a/mpi and b/eucrypt/mpi?
asciilifeform: that part isn't puzzling, it's a straight patch on top of second_cut
asciilifeform: you are using gcc for a linker, neh. it takes arbitrary paths ( observe how i did it in ffa ch.1, it was deliberately illustrative )
diana_coman: is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
mircea_popescu: "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
asciilifeform: at some point 'nonlinear' effect begins : consider the difficulty of liquidating a coupla kg of au ( for nonspecialist. ) or for that matter, pu.
mircea_popescu: that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc.
mircea_popescu: there can never be any truth in a statement made by the wotless.
asciilifeform: but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
mircea_popescu: note that your puppy thinking bringing you a dead weasel is 10x more useful than bringing you your newspaper ; even if your own estimation might diverge.
mircea_popescu: it is a statement on the value of the schmuck.
mircea_popescu: when some schmuck writes on his employment application "salary sought - $50", this is not a statement on the value of the dollar.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask a different q : what is the ordering function for these statements ? do 4 zeroes worth of 'we are worthless' actually represent a lower bow than 3 ?
mircea_popescu: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BITCOIN. the "bitcoin price" is a statement of the worthless herd as to its own perceived worthlessness. bitcoin dun enter into it.
asciilifeform: it can work as a humiliator, just as electron can carry out useful work; but just as we do not reference electron's exact position , it is mistake to reference 'worth of bitcoin'
asciilifeform: whether it works as a humiliator, or spiked club, or tension wrench, is orthogonal question
asciilifeform: it's a propagating error, like div0, to include it in a logical chain is fatal, regardless of how correct the rest
asciilifeform: except 'worth of 1 bitcoin' is a defective item conceptually, like 'position of electron'
mircea_popescu: "i am not worth a whole bitcoin".
asciilifeform: we dun have a change.org ticker here..
asciilifeform: i.e. a work of dope-addled fiction ?
mircea_popescu: "exchange rate" dun enter into this. think of it as a petition on change.org signed by everyone in the herd.
asciilifeform: exchange-rate-as-scalar is as serious a misconception as battery-voltage-as-scalar .
mircea_popescu: the lazy stupid poor "people themselves" banded together to produce a joint report as to how worthless they think everything about them is, in bitcoin terms.
mircea_popescu: consider it this way : the lazy dumb fat women banded together to produce a joint report as to what they think things should be like. they call it "jezbel" or w/e. it keeps changing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever measure the voltage of a dead watch battery ?
asciilifeform wonders occasionally re the ultimate pressure limit of the reactor. e.g. a sha256 collision is not cheap, but not infinitely expensive either.
mircea_popescu: "there's a difference between the sort of people that are surprised by what happens and the sort of people that are surprised by when it does."
mircea_popescu: wow, that's a hell of a byline.
mircea_popescu: heh. remember years ago when bitcoin made 1k and it made me a dollar-billionaire in the process ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
diana_coman: right; cleaned it again fully; put back in the readme file; made the structure a/mpi and b/mpi; can finally say that patch presses fine with both vtrons
asciilifeform: this is a major 'nope', all extant vtrons i expect will choke on this alone.
asciilifeform: Binary files a/tests/test_mpi.o and b/tests/test_mpi.o differ
asciilifeform: Binary files a/tests/test_mpi and b/tests/test_mpi differ
diana_coman: a and b
diana_coman: while I did it on a containing code, wtf
diana_coman: but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
asciilifeform: what was in a, b ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ./vdiff.sh a b
asciilifeform: diff/patch is not insensitive to directory structure, or it could not handle dirs at all. in original we have 'a/mpi/bin/README', in yours there is instead 'a/bin/README'.
diana_coman: not in any way a point of the patch
asciilifeform: diana_coman: tar it up plox, and post, looks very much like you have a mistake on your end. mod6 was able to press last night.
mircea_popescu: if this woman started responsibly a day early with all this and she's STILL gonna miss her today deadline ima hang someone
diana_coman: ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
mircea_popescu: "While a handful of monuments have been resized in the past, none has been cut back to such an extent, putting the president’s proclamation in uncharted legal territory."
BingoBoingo: i.e. Grand Escalara national monument reduced to the the grand escalara and a bit of surroundings instead of a tract of mostly nothing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh right, it was a fatshaming thing too
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 11:15 mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
BingoBoingo: But the door hardware, likely 99% more reliable with a can of white lithium grease
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
BingoBoingo: The biggest impression montevideo is making on me is that it needs a trip to the BingoBoingo store for white lithium grease and toilet seats that aren't made out of particleboard
diana_coman: aha, it's basically my ...tweaked one except I did not realise I needed a space too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors" ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, in what, a junkers ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was that a Copa plane?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:18 BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
mircea_popescu: i went from "just about ready to burn this shit down" to having a grand ole mellow time in the ten minutes it took to get two refills.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman asciilifeform Ah, it's a plane that seems to find its niche in routes that have demand to be done frequently, but only so many people at a time
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i had a ride in an even tinier thing in ro, even had propellers
BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants ☟︎
diana_coman: hm, if I'm looking at the right model it still is some reasonable size; I flew a couple of times to Rome on some 15-seats plane and that was always... interesting
BingoBoingo: The embraer during take off had a feel like my saturn plastic car, that there just might not be enough power to pull off this aviation thing
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, in Europe at least the "difference" between economy and business class on small regional flights is quite often a... curtain drawn to separate the 2 areas of the aircraft, but not much else (same seats, same space/lack of it, same food if you really need airplane-food on a 2-3 hours flight)
mircea_popescu: dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their “The Game” plan is simple: 1. Don’t pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But that’s like switching from live bait to dynamite when you’re fishing in the bathtub. Here’s a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that aren’t going to fuck you!"
diana_coman: and hm, maybe update the vdiff linked from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ if there's a newer version
diana_coman: hm, is there a clear convention re patch names ? using - or _ as separators? mod6's *very useful* guide at http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html seems to suggest _ but the collection of patches seems to use both - and _
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 21:59 mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
mircea_popescu: "sweetney" (period idiot) meanwhile morphed into tracey gaughran, for instance. lives in baltimore, is a "digital content and strategy" aka http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-31.1330-31.1456
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps deserves a sequel ?
mircea_popescu: this is actually a great fucking article!