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mircea_popescu: oh help me rwanda. some shithead is willing to pay 90% of his networth to some fucktard whose feelings got hurt ?
decimation: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature14432.html < here's the real paper
mircea_popescu: e entered Congress in 1987 with a net worth of no more than $270,000 and then exited worth somewhere between $4 million and $17 million [...] alleged, unspecified “past misconduct” against an unnamed person to whom he agreed to pay $3.5 million to keep concealed.
BingoBoingo: The extent of the lymphatic system has always been a bit nebulous because it tends to deflate more destructively in the un-alive. Still since most people manage to go through life without hydrocephalus it can be assumed to interact with the CNS.
decimation: "In the indictment, the DOJ made the decision not to expressly specify the ?past misconduct? Hastert sought to conceal. Nonetheless, federal law enforcement officials apparently spent the day running around leaking to media outlets what the indictment worked hard to insinuate: that ?Hastert paid a man to conceal sexual misconduct while the man was a student at the high school where Hastert taught.? "
assbot: Denny Hastert is Contemptible, But His Indictment Exemplifies America's Over-Criminalization Pathology - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQRpoK )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've read it and 3 others, some of which bring up what the publication contained. Basically boils down to "OMG When CSF dries up it goes the same place every other fluid does!!! OMG this connection works both ways!!!" The only thing newis is they managed to image this system, because soft tissue imagine is hard
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo read the piece, it's like kindergartners wrote it. not a single fact in there.
decimation: it would have been useful to have a link to the paper
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Missing link found between brain, immune system -- with major disease implications << I'm not sure this is news
decimation: they can't just report the facts, gotta make it some sorta drama
mircea_popescu: decimation the reporting on that thing is perhaps the best example of how confused "science news" works.
BingoBoingo: decimation: It truly has for all of 2015 thus far
decimation: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/uovh-mlf052915.php < apparently it has only just been discovered that the lymph system is connected directly to the brain
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trinque: it is most certainly something to get right.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Unless he's doing serious work. I dunno what they do, but hope it is monastic study. I'd hate for gossipd to go through the growing pains of various deed and scoop bots
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not the implementer, but last word on the subject was that the implementer was working on developing a master of the moving parts first which is admirable
trinque: happens to use RSA keys and handle fancy topologies
trinque: I've thought maybe tinc might be a starting place
mircea_popescu: trinque this entire bullshit "defenses" conceptualization. as if you know, it's tower defense, and you gotta upgrade the fire mage tower.
BingoBoingo: gossipd seems 18 months to 2 years off at the earliest from public updates in this chan
mod6: However, this could be tabled until later; when we add in a previously discussed #b-a certified seed discovery mechanism.
trinque: But he called the latest intrusion "among the most shocking because Americans may expect that federal computer networks are maintained with state of the art defenses."
assbot: JL: ‘Are The Counter-Currents People Cowards?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaMplX )
BingoBoingo: "As for your opinion that they have a ‘right’ to safely meet, I disagree. I do not believe in rights. A right is a privilege that is enforced by a violent third party action. Rights are by definition cowardice as social artifice. " http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1974&pr=0 << Tis like a Traimatic brain injury MP
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/04/us-cybersecurity-usa-idUSKBN0OK2IK20150604 << "The last few months have seen a series of massive data breaches that have affected millions of Americans," U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, said in a statement.
mod6: yeah, alf submitted it back in feb i think.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't recall, is that patch written yet ?
mod6: Also, i believe that the removal of the dnsseed is going to be on the docket as well. but again, we'll see how it goes.
mod6: ok back. yeah, so... I'll dig into this for sure here this month. Hopefully sooner, rather than later. I wanna make sure the whole thing 'fits in head' before we move forward. But so far, looking good.
BingoBoingo prolly ought to move the La Fonde guy from bi-weekly to daily reading http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2453
mircea_popescu: (if anyone's not yet tried this - do. the master form of the twin study jew thing)
asciilifeform reminded that pet is awaiting petting
mircea_popescu: ima think about this while playing go with people who are also thinking about this, how's that.
asciilifeform: (for one thing, it brings in dl)
asciilifeform: needless to say, do not use in battlefield conditions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if running tests, consider the igprof patch
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll be running this too.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it << Coders are like asparagus in this way. They love their easy nitrogen and phosphorous
asciilifeform: the implications of requiring a tx to refer -only- to tx in blocks in order to be rebroadcastable can be described exhaustively
asciilifeform: srsly one can't take so much as a shit without some 'coder' building a 'career' on it
mircea_popescu: let's stick to considering things that have a shot at making sense.
asciilifeform: also note that you (node) are free to broadcast a tx that refers to a not-yet-in-block tx. just that other people will throw it straight to dev null
asciilifeform: i will not cry for the 'promises'
asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, nuking the tx orphanage cuts away some of the remaining 'promise' crud from the protocol, leaving the cold metal for which i for one love it
mircea_popescu: not sure this is terribru
mircea_popescu: practically, this might put a dent in dice type services, in the sense that it'd slow them down by ~10 minutes
asciilifeform: whereas right now there is 'benefit of the doubt', largely harmless because 1) 'everyone' has infinite ram 2) no one is crapping out spurious tx in earnest
asciilifeform: if no one had an orphan tx cache at all, the robot would be the only one broadcasting B until A is in a block.
asciilifeform: this can happen if multiple interdependent tx are sent in quick succession
asciilifeform: an 'orphan tx' is simply one which references a tx which is not yet seen
mod6: more over, is there a "normal" situation that arises where a guy is trying to create a transaction and it becomes an orphan? his system time is off? many things i suppose...
asciilifeform: mod6: it is absolutely essential to understand the mechanics
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage' << i agree with the wisdom of this, for the reasons stated.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ? << right, some sort of malformed tx or one that has some weird time in the tx that makes it get rejected or some such thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a statistical certainty
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded pretty much every prime up to 1k or so is present in the whole set.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. i'll have to think on that a bit more. i wanna be sure of what these changes imply. anyway, a guy can always patch his own if he wishes in the mean time.
asciilifeform: i.e. what causes it to fall into that category ?
asciilifeform: consider the actual scenario whereby a tx is 'orphan'
asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow' ☟︎
mod6: sure. i was kinda wondering about the converse side where there is an orphaned TX, and then what? guy just resends?
asciilifeform: the very notion of storing things which 'might be verifiable later' runs against the overall flavour of a mechanism designed to face a -maximally- hostile universe
asciilifeform: in general i favour the principle of 'if it cannot be verified RIGHT NOW, it is garbage'
asciilifeform: the other effect of nuking the tx orphanage is zapping the obvious ddos vector of folks crapping deliberately spurious tx into a node
asciilifeform: what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect.
asciilifeform: but i nuked the cache entirely in the interest of reducing fragging
asciilifeform: mod6: notably, bitcoind 0.5.3 stock actually had the orphan tx cache limit
mod6: ben_vulpes: should read up on this too ^^
mod6: yeah, i think just in here, we can discuss. be better for me to spend a bit of time thinking about it for a day or two.. sometime this week maybe.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was, i think, another 'magic list' item
asciilifeform: mod6: if you have an essay-length treatise on this, might be better to drop it in the mailing list
mod6: But so far, I feel good that these two patches fully sync'd and with some reasonable results.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified. << we'll get there. I'd like to have a discussion at some point about the possible negitive effects of at least the TX Orphanage Amputation patch.
mod6: yup, will get to it... hopefully :] lot of things to work though this month.
asciilifeform: i posted instructions for having it crap those out, i think
asciilifeform: mod6: see if you can pluck the total # out of igprof
mod6: im gonna try some profiles this month.
mod6: i'll continue to do more testing. we'll hopefully get something out of it.
asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Memory.png << reasonably flat. but the 'whole machine' stats thing is a terrible kludge imho
mod6: no, it's system level. all I can tell you is all that is running as far as 3rd party things are: bitcoind & nmon, otherwise i've had `vmstat 1` going.
asciilifeform: and that'd be pretty major
asciilifeform: if it was bitcoind, i want the crash dump
mod6: yeah, previous test with only OrphanageThermonuke did have at least one spot where a "major pagefault" was detected: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke/20150512/Page_Faults.png
asciilifeform: who runs -what- that generates multiple page faults / hour, much less second ?
asciilifeform shudders that this set of graph axes exists: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Page_Faults.png
mircea_popescu: i do not think i have seen a full sync with 0 pagefaults yuet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and must nitpick, but it isn't the current therealbitcoin yet. not until patches are ratified.
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:11:22; mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O
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mod6: memory usage graph looks very similar to the previous run with the OrphanageThermonuke graph. That's expected, but just sayin'. Lookin good.
mod6: wow! yeah, this one didn't hit the OOM-Kill either, ran good the whole time without problems.
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/Process_Switches.png esp that coupled with the 0 faults omg.
mircea_popescu: impressive dude. i think the current foundation bitcoin is actually better than mine o.O ☟︎
mod6: ok here are the charts, looks like it took about 7 days: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test/perf/v0_5_3_1-RELEASE-Plus-OrphanageThermonuke-And-TXOrphanageAmputation/20150604/
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 15:26:55 <@Samsai> oh, that game << holy shit, everyone knows ?!
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2015 23:30:17; mod6: Update: bitcoin-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } fully snyc'd: 359443
BingoBoingo used to sync being an ~1 month affair