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mircea_popescu: ok so basically so far the situation's that shinohai managed to get trinque's sig to match on a rk but not an intel lappy, while diana_coman mod6 hanbot failed to get it to match on a diverse set of items (laptop, desktop, racked box).
shinohai: Nope, haven't posted the build/ directory up yet. Probably will do so soon.
mircea_popescu: for that lappy i mean
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:19 trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state?
mircea_popescu: shinohai did you post the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892049 anywhere ? ☝︎
shinohai: His sig matched in that case, yes. Subsequent attempts on my i5 lappy have failed to get matching sig.
mod6: mircea_popescu: indeed overripe now, point taken, Sir.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, so does trinque 's sig match ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/cuntoo-a-linux-that-sucks-less.html <<< I will mention that the USB version won't boot yet, only useful as chroot device.
mircea_popescu: i'm looking at this with an eye to eulora client also and so fucking following.
asciilifeform: it was forced move, on acct of the shitfest that is 'bring own linux'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the 9000 headaches of folx who tried to build pre-rotor trb ? asciilifeform did not resort to 'and now run this 4 hour script that builds a gcc, and then builds with it a gcc, and ~then~ builds deps, and ~then~ trb' just to make life moar interesting.
mircea_popescu: mod6 as a rule of thumb, a thing whatever it may be that took over a coupla hours of your time's ripe for blog article by the very nature of life expectancy.
mod6: anyway, I apologize for not reporting sooner, just thought that I could emerge victorious one of these attempts. I'll stfu and go to work on a blog with more deets.
mircea_popescu: shinohai did you publish all this somewhere ?
mod6: i should also mention that shinohai's working cuntoo is a APU box - not intel.
asciilifeform: sorta why it gotta die to begin with.
mircea_popescu: good thing it has a name.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem is that 'my own gentoo' is not a defined item.
mircea_popescu not about to pull a stink about it in the instant case, obviously. but the general config still is "wtf, can't use my own gentoo for this, gotta use apple's cable ?"
mod6: on the bright side, i thought that my inital new SSD i ordered for cuntoo was just bad in some way, so i went and bought another. so now i have a spare :]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only total cure for thompsonism is to ditch unix/c/pc/etc entirely. we aint there yet tho.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's not my fossil gentoo outside of the sense I plucked it out of the wild for a lack of anything else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno about you, but i am fucking suspicious as all hell of all these "here's our matrix dot printer, to use it here's the matrix dot printer program".
mod6: but, again, maybe it's this intel hardware. not sure.
mircea_popescu: seems that's definitely what she's going to do now.
mod6: i've actually been lucky enough to have shinohai's ear this whole time too, who actually has a working cuntoo.
asciilifeform: what i thought hanbot was going to do, is to attempt trinque's recipe using BingoBoingo's beachhead stick . then BingoBoingo's fossil gentoo can be pressed into service as standard beachhead, while such thing still needed.
mircea_popescu: and this is the ~reported~, who knows what else.
mod6: i'll go to work on a blog post, this weekend. will try to capture all the details.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider this phd assemblyline we've made here : both mod6 and hanbot have sunk >1 hour into it with little to show for.
mod6: just because I can't even get it to boot, so just left that aside for the time being.
mod6: i should add, that my output genesis has never verified with his original sig, i admit to not even trying his new sig posted in his comment section.
asciilifeform: rright , but this apparently requires a working fossilized gentoo. to reproduce at all.
mircea_popescu: well for one thing he's waiting for some sig reproductions.
asciilifeform: trinque: what's the obstacle currently in the way of a bootable cuntoo iso ?
mircea_popescu: won't be the end of the world if we manage to actually have a cuntoo in a few months.
asciilifeform: i gotta agree with mircea_popescu tho, the current recipe is very muchly 'wanna light a fire? take a stick, and yer old fire..'
mircea_popescu: gotta look around when testing.
asciilifeform: but loox like we aint there yet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download trinque's signed iso and boot from it, then install cuntoo' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: after all, the whole fucking point of "test this" is the "somebdoy other than me" outlook. otherwise what, "worked for me" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't specifically know, but what she says is not without merit, "what's somebody other than me supposed to do???"
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing what we actually want here is to get cuntoo ready already and then just skip this step altogether ; meanwhile sit unprotected
mircea_popescu: "transition phase", whatever, but the point remains that if we're going to actually take the a) view then something very much like what she's looking for ("i took what looked like the tmsr official gentoo off the foundation site") should also exist.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: heathen gentoo is exactly lenin's 'we build the new shithouse from the rubble of the old, there aint any imported brick to build it from'
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 18:24 hanbot: asciilifeform, trinque, BingoBoingo no, i'm aware. nevertheless, wanted to try getting a gentoo on first, seeing how it's in fact needed, and perhaps the general case of someone who isn't this good friends with this many experts is to be explored.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 18:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho there's not much educational value any moar in setting up ancient gentoo; it's obsoleted by cuntoo, and quite difficult to revv up on acct of the dead mirrors
mircea_popescu: thinking about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894351 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894364 it seems to me that we've created this situation where at the same time a) there's no real purpose to still looking at heathen gentoo as anything more than crap but also b) there's not very clearly delineated "use this prepackaged thing" (nor is a all that clearly communicated). ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: lotsa folx over the years tried 'telepathic debug', but it never worx, we aint got any telepaths
mod6: yeah, im long overdue for a blog on the thing.
mod6: and a whole bunch of slight variants trying to unfuck the thing.
asciilifeform: mod6: i assume you fed trinque's script your kernel config ?
mod6: it has a name, 'trb-test1', a simple gentoo box to run trb test builds.
mod6: right, i agree, so i don't think it's ~cuntoo~ per se... but imagine this. I've had gentoo running on that hardware for nearly a year since i bought it.
mod6: well, I didn't want to send people down rabbit holes, but now im at the point where I think I can't get any further with out more help.
asciilifeform: cuntoo afaik is atm silent on the question of what goes in kernel.
asciilifeform: mod6: if yours panics, sounds like kernel (or even iron) problem , rather than cuntoo issue
mircea_popescu: mod6 you gotta post all this wtf.
mod6: Anyway, I think it maybe just hates my iron for some unknown reason. Obviously, I leaving out a lot of details here, but i've tried everything, different boot loaders, minor adjustments to fstab, a working kernel, map and initrd from the working gentoo (ON THE SAME BOX)... a hand built initrd.
mod6: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
mod6: not 10 full days, but certainly 10 days of approx. 2 hour sessions each day. i've been hooking up null modem cables to capture kernel panics... i've taken to hacking trinque's scripts, just about everything to try to conquer this type of error:
mod6: fwiw, I've been working on trying to get cuntoo working for 10 days.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: I still have the image I wrote and other sticks up to 16GB locally sourced without Uruguay pricing hitting too hard
hanbot: doesn't seem too rosy, either. (i just hope i didn't hose your install usb in the process somewhere.)
hanbot: asciilifeform, trinque, BingoBoingo no, i'm aware. nevertheless, wanted to try getting a gentoo on first, seeing how it's in fact needed, and perhaps the general case of someone who isn't this good friends with this many experts is to be explored. ☟︎
asciilifeform: a working cuntoo is the only path fwd for reproducible, reasonably-working unix box.
asciilifeform: i defungated this bread crust many times, but there aint so much bread remaining in it.
asciilifeform: iirc this is amply documented in the logs, but will remind folx again, ~errything~ on the heathen mirrors oughta be considered in full fungal bloom, at this pt.
asciilifeform: i'd prefer to get the rk plant onto a working cuntoo as soon as it becomes practical.
asciilifeform: and incidentally ( achtung rk users ! ) if you are careless and allow 'emerge' to update, you will hose the machine, from that point it will whine ( about the prohibition on systemd!! ) and grind to a halt when asked to emerge anyffin
asciilifeform: rk-gentoo still pulls from heathen mirrors if you 'emerge ...' , i dun expect this will work 4evah
asciilifeform: ( cuntoo was not available when i baked rk , and it was necessary to work around the sad state of the upstream mirrors, hence why bottled it )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is of course the bottled gentoo i baked for rk; but it is also arguably a technological dead-end, and eventually oughta be replaced with arm cuntoo
asciilifeform: was sorta half the reason for cuntoo in the 1st place
asciilifeform: i'm not even certain that it's ~possible~ today to glue together a complete classical gentoo ( and if possible today -- may not be tomorrow )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho there's not much educational value any moar in setting up ancient gentoo; it's obsoleted by cuntoo, and quite difficult to revv up on acct of the dead mirrors ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, then would need a ~third~ disk for cuntoo.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Yet I suspect doing a heathen gentoo on the spinning disk will provide a valuable point of contrast Cuntoo. There's 2 kinds of steps you can insert into a process beyond the minimum. Educative ones where you explore the space gathering experience which may be useful later. The other kind are pure friction a la SOPS.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems like the sort of thing that can save work later. The supplied USB is a "live" image working off of a squashfs
trinque: yep, just needs a virgin disk. no need to stand up another vanilla gentoo on that disk first; the bootstrapper handles everything else.
asciilifeform: seems to me from the article that hanbot went to setup up a ~traditional~ gentoo 1st, which as i understand isn't actually needed ( machine already booted into 1 )
trinque: secondly, the build expects you to pass a whole block device (disk) upon which it will write a completely new partition scheme. you don't want to do this to the drive from which you booted.
trinque: hanbot: two things. one, you'll need to build phf's vtools and have that available in the build environment. the build wont generate a genesis.vpatch without it.
BingoBoingo: ^ Take 3
asciilifeform: the provided box is already running a trad gentoo; theoretically should suffice for bringing up cuntoo, as i understand
asciilifeform: hanbot: i thought you were gonna revv up a cuntoo ? article seems to concern a classical gentoo install ?
asciilifeform: hm hanbot doesn't seem to have the selector js thing in place ( or does, and it dungo..? )
asciilifeform: currently i've nfi out of what one'd even begin to make it, tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'browser that works' would be a mighty great thing.
asciilifeform: grr i gotta stiffen the spring tension on that 'return' pedal.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 07:54 feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part I
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894292 << hanbot : the link to mod6 is broken ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 07:54 feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ << The Whet -- hanbot's Cuntoo Bake Test Notes - Part I
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894292 << hanbot : the link to ☝︎
mircea_popescu: conceivably some context leakage by browser, i wouldn't fucking bother until we actually have a browser that works.
asciilifeform: i gotta saw that thing open again when i get free hand
mircea_popescu: nfi what the fuck was up its ass.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-393.393-393.502 seems to work...
mircea_popescu: i had "That the probably only _truly_ random element in anyone’s life is the order in which they experience things" selected.