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ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked
the install, never
touched it again. will never
trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome
type system ftw"
mod6: heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have
to give
this a
try
tonight on
the gentoo aws instance.
jurov: and haskell-updater,
too
jurov: and
there is python-updater
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely
thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'
ascii_field: cpp is really a 'crime against nature'
to
the extent
that nothing really can process
the barf it produces
mircea_popescu: because it never happened
that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather
than cpp.
they only kinda, sorta work on cpp
ascii_field: not really related except in
the sense
that
the hose in a mortician's workshop is related
to surgeon's endoscope
ascii_field: and
the crud built with previous versions dying en masse
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the 'cleaner' in question was a util
that is meant
to clean up
the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box
ascii_field: bitcoind is
the
thorn in everybody's side in
this respect
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist,
to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box
ascii_field: 'Why is Perl so F***ing special
that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every
time I need
to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and
this dependency stuff just makes me not want
to
touch it, ever, if I did suffer from
temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or
jurov: yea i remember
that,
they reorganized it
ascii_field: '(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by
ten pages of barf
ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell nubbins` didja ever get past
the eulora new account screen?
mircea_popescu: and
then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts
to get
the ball started
mircea_popescu: by consistently sucking my cock
throughout my formative years
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes,
they
teach ya green's
theorem, etc.
ben_vulpes: 'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying
the spawn
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth
talking
to became
the way he is -in spite of-, rather
than with
the aid of, school.
ben_vulpes: read
the bible
three
times, numbers in particular.
trinque: and boot everyone
that after
that still sucks.
trinque: and force
them
to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished
trinque: give 'em
things
to build
that don't suck.
pete_dushenski looks forward
to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in
the logs
mircea_popescu: ascii_field re
the perform on call
thing : it definitely selects for
the sort of woman you like.
mircea_popescu: so all
that can conceivably be done is protection and
tests.
ascii_field: we already know
the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up
to be
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol not
true ! i read books and
things
too.
ben_vulpes: eh give him a break -
the canuks get all
their ideas from
their southern protector
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is
that women care
too much and men don't understand wtf is in
the box.
☟︎ ascii_field: it boggles my mind
to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding
mircea_popescu: some kids decide
to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help
them improve
their choices ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski apparently
they're not
too young
to live and breathe.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except
there you get beatings + death in six years
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids can opt
this for
themselves ? not
too young ?
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't
the cram-exam
type myself !
mircea_popescu: kids can opt whether
to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on
them
ascii_field: pete_dushenski:
try
to grasp
that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily
the ones you like.
mircea_popescu: the only half decent approximation of a
test would be, "either you go
to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".
trinque: and
the wrong ones shouldn't be in
the school
pete_dushenski: tests can be interviews, written exams,
theatre performances...
mircea_popescu: "i've visited all
the places my friends sent me cards from"
trinque: I
tend
to
think you have
to beat
that out of
the intelligent if it's absent
mircea_popescu: the concept of performance
tests is not unlike
the concept of postcard
tourism.
trinque: the right kids will want
to learn
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for
that matter,
to see how
the 'tests'
thing works out
mircea_popescu: rightly is determined by
that
they put your world ablaze.
mircea_popescu: why not is not a permissible question in
this context.
jurov: there are
tests for
that?
mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of
the situation where you piss off
the rightly powerful.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the focus of
this process should not be satisfaction of
the designer
mircea_popescu: what if
they go back
to school with a chip on
their shoulder
jurov: how is
this determined at 13?
mircea_popescu: romans had forbidden slaves (ie,
teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating
their kids as a cornerstone of civility.
pete_dushenski: 6.
those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13
to pursue
technical professions
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid
take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with
mircea_popescu: "students will learn
to fly
then grow
the wings most adequate
to
their preferred flight style"
ben_vulpes: i also suspect
that
the initial stable of
teachers will actually be
the parents. nobody else is going
to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.
pete_dushenski: 5. students will learn
to
think,
then learn
the alphabet,
then learn
to read
ben_vulpes: teachers'll have
to order parents
to do so, as
the
thing of necessity'll have
to run over
teh wotnet
pete_dushenski: 4. sexual education is
to be
taught in praxis, not just
theory
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: realize
that
this is not unlike
the 'everyone will learn
to write'
thing from back in
the day
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my guess it
that it is mostly
targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well
that usg has not invented email yet.
ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong
ben_vulpes: evaporated quickly,
though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.
ben_vulpes: was particularly amused
that
the one part of
the park
that worked - eg infrastructure
team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership
that delegated.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes
the choice as
to whether
to sit by
the pool and look pretty / sit by
the oak desk and look stern was always open
to everyone.
danielpbarron: i saw it in NYC on one of my field
trips
to see
the marathon
ascii_field: they would hold
their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go
to 'occupy' ?
ben_vulpes: "The process favored
those with
the most
time, as meetings
tended
to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed
to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting
the wheels in motion. is it any wonder
that
the kochs always win and occupy always loses?