asciilifeform: understand ? microshit's '250k for exploit for win10' is SAME THING AS BOX OF CHOCOLATE to , e.g., asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: douchebag: i hold that it is impossible to sell exploits, and the NO ONE does it. what they do instead, is accept gifts of chocolate and flowers (aka 100s of k usd ) from usg agents, in exchange for keeping nsa vulns off the public forum for a few extra bonus months.
asciilifeform: douchebag: what makes you think you know what 'vulnerability broker' looks like ? or even that such a thing is even possible ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: perhaps poor example, because the poor idjit persians signed up for it, by buying siemens and running winblowz. but it is illustration of the point of MINIMAL bar for 'matters'
asciilifeform: douchebag: what to you means 'owned' ? script kiddie on forum defaces crapple.com ? because this simply isn't interesting, to anyone here. the ONLY type of 'owned' worth caring about, is , e.g., natanz uranium centrifuge, destroyed by usg without firing a shot.
asciilifeform: chikatillo is every bit the godfearing loyal soldier of regime, as a street mugger is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember chikatillo ? word is, 3 men were shot for his crimes, before him. # of prosecutors shot : 0
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'serial killer' is a saint, to the police state, supplies neverending flow of serfs eager to bend over and get arse searched, 'for security'
asciilifeform: douchebag: if they 'cared about security', they'd have , for instance, FUCKGOATS ( whether purchased from snsa, or built 'independently', take your pick. ) do they ??
asciilifeform: well guess what, asciilifeform & friends had 'crystal ball' that actually ~did~ something . guess how much diff it made in 'marketplace'.
asciilifeform: douchebag: absolutely NO usd-paying customers of the 'security industry' give HALF A SHIT about actual results. if you do not get this through your thick skull now, you can learn it on own skin later, it doesn't make much diff to asciilifeform , which one you choose.
asciilifeform: ( it isn't any seekrit that asciilifeform is , among other things, a burned-out veteran of 'b' , yrs past )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far it doesn't look to me like he's at risk of http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/ , instead he's at risk of a) running 'the next mandiant' , and making 'million dollars', and thinking as result that he has something to do with 'security' or that the million is 'actual money' or, far more likely, b ) ending in sad , tall pile of hollywood-waitress-style bo
asciilifeform: ( i'll immediately admit that i am not familiar with the story )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nuffin wrong, per se, so long as d00d understands what he gets into.
asciilifeform: douchebag: 'security business' in the form in which it exists today, is strictly religious/ritual arm of usg church; legitimate security business consists solely and strictly in the systematic disassembly of usg; and once disassembled properly, it will exist no longer.
asciilifeform: prolly because ibm and oracle won't dispense fresh, thick greens of printolade for uttering heresies ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: do you understand the difference ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: the world's first ACTUAL security firm ?
asciilifeform: douchebag: and the 'fool's gold', usd, will buy only miami, for so long as there's any miami left, and there's long queue of people ahead of you.
asciilifeform: douchebag: for so long as you understand that you become a usg electro-echafaudage expert, and your fortune will rise and fall with usg's -- like patent lawyer's -- then why not, do it
asciilifeform: plankton moves with the current, what.
asciilifeform: and if boy -- certainly won't grow without kicking.
asciilifeform: so far, shows dangerous symptoms of the latter
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to determine if 'short because boy' or 'short because dwarf'
asciilifeform: but douchebag if you want to 'security expert', web liquishit won't cut it here.
asciilifeform: nobody was born knowing these. or carpentry. or anything else but sucking tit
asciilifeform: douchebag: you did ~only~ the minimal interpretation of what was asked. like a schoolboy. instead of, e.g., annotating this list with 'is this an actual vuln in actual physical trb'
asciilifeform: douchebag: that's precisely the problem !
asciilifeform: searching usg.cve lists is literally kindergarten minimal step ; even usg's automatic c/cpp auditor nonsense, does an ok job of it
asciilifeform: guess what, it also isn't what any of us do. because it's completely useless.
asciilifeform: but imho it does not indicate that douchebag has learned anything in his time here.☟︎
asciilifeform: douchebag: this looks exactly same as 2days ago
asciilifeform: camelfuckers seems to aspire to become fat, lazy newyorkers, wanting strictly what the snail of the bellcurve always wants; rather than screws with exotic threads.
asciilifeform: i suppose for people with money, the equation differs, but i am not , never was, and never expect to be such a thing, and cannot comment authoritatively.
asciilifeform: store -- holds parts such as are used in 'fishtank' maintenance. want anything else -- stuck building it in spare time, for years.
asciilifeform: ... or when they do, 1000% markup ( recall the thread about the lids on FUCKGOATS analogue board ? )
asciilifeform: servants, in the customary sense, are ~banned in the reich ('they have RIGHTS!')
asciilifeform: rrright, hence the item re the madura chix
asciilifeform: plankton, no bearing, no; folx with 'actual power' (i.e. coin) trading it 'for fetish of power' (usd in nyc) -- bearing.
asciilifeform: it's a stable strategy, like the lantern fish.
asciilifeform: reich can continue to soldier on ~indefinitely for so long as it can afford to maintain a miami for idiot orcs to salivate for. this could prove to be a very long time.
asciilifeform: ( granted, hope probably is 'not sold at all, and the Party will eventually take it' )
asciilifeform: trinque: if pekin actually shuttered the exchanges, this is dumbest possible move, nao chinese coin will be sold in new york for usd and put in usg bank to steal.
asciilifeform: i dun see any fundamental difference between east and west aquariae
asciilifeform: from both euro-american and chinese lizard pov, world without bitcoin is best, but second-best is world where it is exactly like plutonium, plebe who somehow finds some has no choice but to bury in the deepest hole he can dig and forget that it happened
asciilifeform: in re deductive solutions -- it still puzzles me how e.g. bitcoin can be 'worth 8k' but simultaenously no dc anywhere wants any.
asciilifeform: ( and always. recall how stalin, whatever else he succeeded in, was unable to create a half-passable replacement for himself. ditto peter. )
asciilifeform: must note, however, that 'low head count' comes with own set of problems.
asciilifeform: all shamanism is based on the 'just like the first!' pattern, aha
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: something plague, or gangrene-themed nick, i fughet
asciilifeform: their 3ring notebook has just a handful of formulae, and they apply, religiously, each one, forever.
asciilifeform: and that's just the 1 that comes to mind.
asciilifeform: i still recall one of the provocateurs who showed up here, who was genuinely puzzled why asciilifeform did not take interest in his 'private' invitations to join 'militia'
