460600+ entries in 0.287s
mircea_popescu hands ascii_field a roll of duct
tape and
taped old
tv shows
ascii_field: and anyone pursuing sanity
today, needs it.
decimation: I suspect it might run into 'itar' rules
too
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so
the 1k
transistors package can be future s.nsaproduct.
time
to move on eh ?
decimation: then all
they have
to sell is some analog electronics attached
to a digitizer
decimation: well, possibly because
they are afraid someone will 'cut
them out' of
the user interface
ascii_field: talking about perhaps 1,000
transistors here.
ascii_field: motherfuckers i just want a piece of silicon
that samples 16 lines at 1G/s and clocks out
the bits
to pci-e lanes.
ascii_field: decimation: as far as i can
tell,
they do not offer a logic analyzer with sane pc link
mod6: that's fair. gentoo might be
the right move.
decimation: tektronix is #1 in oscopes, if
they don't have something
than probably nobody does
mircea_popescu: mod6
the problem is
that most people don't have a lot of o-bsd experience. and i don't just mean most people here, but generally. hard
to sell
that
thing as an "all purpose b-a basis of bases"
mod6: eh. i'm not sure yet. i'm getting
to
the point with
this
thing where i realize at least 1
thing: I don't have
the
technical experience in
the context of gentoo
to get us where we want
to go in a
timly fashion. My experience in gentoo has been for 6 weeks, never used it before
that. Everything has been a struggle here, for me. Not
that I can't do it all myself, but I feel like it's
taking me waaay
too long. Maybe I just had bad expectations as
trinque: the handbook
they have is overly complex, and
tries
to include you in
the decisionmaking
trinque: it's just a matter of having
the parts of a functioning linux install already in your head
ascii_field: so
they can give usg own price, and you - another
decimation: they were
trying
to 'break into
the market' with a different oscope
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:37; nubbins`:
there's no "perfect posix" with no insane gotchas
decimation: I
told
their sales guy
that was a dumb idea
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:19:28; mod6: i mean, i can't seem
to get anywhere with anything without major
time involved and serious pain.
ascii_field: decimation: where is
the mention of linux
there ?
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:13:31; mod6: i need
to get back
to winning here. been losing
to gentoo for 6 weeks.
mod6: <+jurov> mod6: see
there. kill yourself and you will get what you want. << ah,
thanks for
the
tip.
decimation: most of
those radios don't go down below 100 mhz
ascii_field: if i have a steady state, it needs
to show -
that.
decimation: ascii_field: does it need
to go down
to DC? You could use an 'ettus radio'
ascii_field: decimation: and it is way below
the write speed of my hdd, which is
the real limit
mircea_popescu: i doubt vice has
that much readership, notwithstanding
the count of clucking clickers clicking around.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, pretty good, i see pretty much no article qntra published
this month got less
than 1k reads
THIS MONTH. last months pushing 5-10 depending. it's not bad by any measure.
decimation: heh
that would barely fit on a gigabit ethernet with overhead
trinque: I look forward
to
the day when somebody makes
their way inside NSA systems and starts dumping data from
there.
ascii_field: may as well be a winblows item like
the 1,001 it competes with
decimation: because
they assign
their indian h1b
to
test
the chip
decimation: this is a problem with
test equipment in general
ascii_field: if it can't piss
the bits out
to pc at 1G/s
decimation: so
the market for logic analyzers has shrunk
to chip makers
ascii_field: why
the fuck would i pay for a machine with a 128kB buffer and 1G/s sample rate ?
decimation: these days if you want
to buy high speed logic, you buy a chip where someone else did everything for you
decimation: then you might get
to write some IEEE-488
ascii_field: decimation: older ones have no way of pushing bits
to pc at channel speed !
decimation: ascii_field: surely
there are older HP models
that run HP-UX?
mircea_popescu: soo... quantcast "upgraded" its site, now i can no longer see
the graphs.
ascii_field: (yes,
the high-end instruments ~actually run xp~)
decimation: to be clear, in
the case of logic analyzers
the main problem is
that only fancy chip makers use
them anymore
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
thing is, we could get
the $20k one here at $firm. but it will RUN XP
decimation: he saw
the writing on
the wall when
the winblows mandate came around, decided
to bail
mircea_popescu: in
the limited sense of "cheaper"
that means "more accessible
to
the plebs"
decimation: ascii_field: yeah I have a friend who used
to work at HP developing logic analyzers
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's really a socialism problem.
the plebeian criterion "it works" has surpassed
the aristocratic "it makes sense".
this is supposedly... better. in fact it's merely cheaper,
jurov: mod6: see
there. kill yourself and you will get what you want.
ascii_field: this is how you get
the iranian centrifuges with winblows, etc
ascii_field: decimation: it blows my mind
that
the market for sane engineering
tools of even very basic varieties DOES NOT EXIST
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 18:12:31; jurov: mod6 what? you want insanely configurable stuff
that does not need figuring out? hah, pick one
ascii_field: 'who needs a logic analyzer
that can
talk
to software people write
themselves' ? (see yesterday's
thread)
ascii_field: also in 1990s gigantic microcontrollers did not exist, and
the complexity (db of possible chips, etc) had
to live in software
ascii_field: decimation: because
the world is awash in
turdmeisters
decimation: ascii_field: why does it require specialized
turdware
then?
ascii_field: there is NO reason why eeprom programmer shouldn't just appear as usb mass storage on
the pc end
decimation: their focus on providing a reasonable experience for
the console user is nearly nonexistent
decimation: well, it's more
that redhat seems
to focus nearly 100% on providing vm clients and hosts
trinque: decimation: doing
the coreos
thing with dual-roots or something?
decimation: I also admit
that rhel7 is a clusterfuck
decimation: I do admit
that when I've
tried openbsd I've been impressed by
the presence of actual documentation
mircea_popescu: you know,
trilema has a 5 minute delay in
the rss feed for
this and similar reasons
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Draft, accidentipublished. Returned
to draft bin
decimation: ascii_field: but you have admitted
that you don't pull gentoo updates regularly
ascii_field: i find all unixlikes but gentoo and freebsd
to be quite unusable for daily work
decimation: it forced me
to learn why I don't want
the latest of everything
decimation: trinque:
trust me I've lived on gentoo for years