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Framedragger: ah, that's nice.
Framedragger: (and no, the irony of linking to pdf which talks about stupid frontend formats is not lost on me... :( )
Framedragger: this reminds of james mickens' rants on 'mobile' and 'modern web', e.g. (JS - i've linked to it once iirc, under the bdsm social board discussion): http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/mickens/files/towashitallaway.pdf (html: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/towashitallaway.html - for logs)
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#349 << ohmygerd how i hate this shit. it ends with "to quote text in screenshot of screenshot, i'll make a screenshot". tumblr at least retains/-ed the concept of a "quote as a block of text". wouldn't be surprised if not for long.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i guess can't be certain. doesn't really fit for sure..
Framedragger: i see what you mean. now it's a closed bubble/system for them, sort of...
Framedragger: except for the whole "wasting time of actual people" side of things..
Framedragger: well, good for the skriptkiddies then. a spammy-scripty strategy is a strategy nonetheless.
Framedragger: could it be that half of them are bots, mircea_popescu? can't imagine them being able to use imagemagick for the life of me
Framedragger: well, it is nice to have data.
Framedragger: ahh, that's what you mean. yeah k lol.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i have this idea of doing focused not-for-coal-mines work this summer (some time after May) lol. so maybe even 2017!!1
Framedragger: aha yes, ssl certs should go into the oven, too.
Framedragger: sounds good
Framedragger: but the 2nd ssh-key-extractor stage can do the stuff you want, yes.
Framedragger: aha, the way it'd work, it'd still scan only port 22 initially, because grabbing banners / doing stateful communication is much slower. doing the former is a matter of TCP SYN/ACK, with embedded 'cookies', no need for state
Framedragger: ah, right on. yes, fair enough.
Framedragger: or banner-grabber? i have all the banners still. (and no i haven't done anything with them, yet)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: as in, scan additional ports, you mean?
Framedragger: (vc's cockbox vps don't care about no abuse complaintz.)
Framedragger: also, i may want to re-run the base ipv4 ssh server finder at some point, i'm sure i'll get some more keys :p
Framedragger: ah yeah i recall. i think my only modification is that it handles bulk amounts, but really nothing special
Framedragger: jurov: i have a trivial python script based on your openpgp-generator to convert arbitrary numbers of e,N,comment into pgp if interested (but you prolly have something of the same - just in case)
Framedragger: okey dokey. point taken
Framedragger: hm. worth a try for sure.
Framedragger: well for one ssh client keys normally have an email/ID associated with them, not sure if ssh agent would like an ssh server key. in theory, yes, sure
Framedragger: i mean in practical terms, of course, theoretically, but as in, would a canonical ssh agent eat it up
Framedragger: can you even use an ssh server key as ssh client key (and yes i agree if it's easy to do, someone will have done it)
Framedragger: bbl
Framedragger: well you cant fault them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed.
Framedragger: heh. :)
Framedragger: thanks much ben_vulpes. guess i'm good for now
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: point taken - this should ideally eventually change, etc...
Framedragger: such eclectic irc channel eh.
Framedragger: (truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not the favourite / not sure, but i like it.)
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Framedragger: kol tylėdavom šuo man kąsdavo gerklę
Framedragger: (ir pelenai buteliuose ir kraujo žiedas kol rūkau išplinta)
Framedragger: prakirsta galva ir nuo pilvo garuojantis sniegas
Framedragger: kai kalbėdavom apie rožes tai buvo
Framedragger: kur tik būdavau nuoširdus galėjau ant jos išsilieti
Framedragger: tai primena drėgmę delne, burnoje
Framedragger: Marinos vaiduoklis braukia krūtį per stiklą
Framedragger: liežia pelenus nuo plaštakos
Framedragger: šuo bėga iš židinio
Framedragger: namas perskeltais langais
Framedragger: aš matau rūką. tai reiškia nematau daiktų
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess the term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"...
Framedragger: word
Framedragger: it was great.
Framedragger: when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1) they were awesome there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall
Framedragger: organic sugar water ftw
Framedragger: well, maybe merely '>'
Framedragger: (yes, afaik decent place. tu-munich >> tu-berlin probably, tho)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what they will say. and what they used to generate the key..
Framedragger: (for logs, http://chneukirchen.org/tmp/www.geocities.com/Athens/8926/Kharms/Incidences.html#12 )
Framedragger: hah! quite
Framedragger: how did that kharms story go, about the guy dreaming he was a bush..
Framedragger: lean and clean. i may just try that. i understand the need more and more.
Framedragger: quite delicious! mississippi mud pie. oreo base, brownie-esk filling. amateur-made (office tradition), but very much acceptabru.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm curious, do you currently manually add entries to your hosts file? wireshark shows so much gunk flying around. like, i've got ad blockers and everything, but still lotsa facebook dns requests all around, etc.
Framedragger: what is nice is that the dns transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i think.
Framedragger: oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way to learn of low-level transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at the very least this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns to be able to serve existing dns clients though, right? i mean, things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc - the current dns protocol? or no?
Framedragger: right.
Framedragger: openssl vibes.
Framedragger: well, BIND is.. not vulernability-impaired. lots of fleas. and code quality - can only imagine
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks for bearing with me. yes, fixation.
Framedragger: ah, "r-dns" is republican dns. not reverse dns or sth like that. more clear
Framedragger: the administration / record-updating would be a separate layer in any case.
Framedragger: up until this point i thought that the idea would be to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease
Framedragger: argh.
Framedragger: caching could be easily done, too
Framedragger: i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten" the whole thing, so that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between types of substrings. the latter would be up to the client, if it willed to do so.
Framedragger: rather ingenious if i may say so!
Framedragger: okay, i'm less confused now
Framedragger: yes indeed; and now i see that maybe there wouldn't be too much of a redundancy there - that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams, they'd simply come via gossipd - and the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc.
Framedragger: and, i suppose, republican dns server could work in a way that already facilitates session-less communication - pgprams issuing orders to change zone files, etc.
Framedragger: right.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: my excuse is, i don't feel like i have enough original content to keep spamming your comments box. what can i say. such self esteem
Framedragger: and maybe it's worth to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding these two things being parallel. i guess.
Framedragger: the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually the underlying layer would need to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence there may be a redundancy of effort;
Framedragger: low on sugar, broken english
Framedragger: so yeah, running a republican dns root would still imply "collaborating" with current internet infrastructure. reform, not revolution. something like, in those tmsr ISP discussion, someone e.g suggesting to acquire an autonomous system number for tmsr. "is it even worth it."
Framedragger: to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu to $fingerprint or w/e
Framedragger: there is a nuance: if lotsa customization is needed, perhaps time/energy is better spent on gossipd. a logistical question i guess.
Framedragger: hmm. i'm still not sure if your scheme does not require additional customization of dns server software (bind/unbound/whatever). i mean, if it does, so be it.
Framedragger: delegate = "i don't know about this, but this guy does. ask him"
Framedragger: caching != delegation in dns, afaik.
Framedragger: (i mean, there could be caching servers, but they'd have to have the same up to date map of all strings to IPs.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this implies that there's basically a single dns server, though. it does not delegate to other dns servers, like what we have now
Framedragger: (a piece of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlterNIC)
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: do you have logs for #opennic somewhere handy by chance?
Framedragger: ben_vulpes battling it out in #opennic, i see!
Framedragger: "His "reactor" ended when the EPA declared his backyard as a Superfund cleanup site due to hazardous levels of radiation." oh yeah i remember reading about that! hm. so, radiation kills, then. RIP boy scout.
Framedragger: )
Framedragger: (and for anyone curious, there are a few "alt roots" out there, see alternative root servers section in http://thedjbway.b0llix.net/djbdns/dnsroots.html e.g.
Framedragger: (btw amusingly, non-reich DNS roots are called "alt roots". tmsr could call it "*the* dns root", or "the republican dns root". or something.)
Framedragger: unless.. not necessarily?
Framedragger: this is fine as long as it's made clear in regards to ownership etc.; but it does put some additional responsibility / ontological charge(?) onto folks who'd own a TLD