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mircea_popescu: meanwhile, people who sell very weak stuff prolly lose
their custom
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:42:01; *: ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler
to order his mail opened and
tested
ascii_field: as a boy, i saw a '80s sov. film where a couple split up
their possessions with gigantic laser
trinque: when it doesn't kill
them, great
trinque: this is why you should have friends more reckless
than you are
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: different animal vs. 'roll dice
to decide how many zeros appear in front of
the milligram figure'
mircea_popescu: wasn't it
the case caffeine
tolerance actually builds
to degrees of magnitude ?
trinque: hazirafel_:
those
types
tend
to do what
they're
told; wouldn't call it understanding
ascii_field: (for one
thing, if it did, you would
typically be dead after a few pulls of
the roulette
trigger)
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:38:16; ascii_field: would you
tolerate
this with coffee? booze ?
mircea_popescu: not "our brothel really fucking sucks, who ever heard of
this"
mircea_popescu: but my proposition is
that perhaps he found
this because it's what he wanted
to find.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc
the author of 'camels' did investigate what
the 'shooters in dark' had in common - and in all cases, it was an inability
to comprehend
that
the machine is entirely blind
to human intent, and
to build meaningful mental models of purely mechanistic systems as a class
mircea_popescu: this is
then mis-represented as "there's something wrong wit hthe patrons"
ascii_field: as if fpga has ~ever~ (at least since '92 or so) been 'exposed' as anything but
the blackest of black boxes
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
to round up what i mean, class A are perhaps "the shooters in
the dark". which means,
they have an idea what
they want, and programming [as
taught] fails
to satisfy [which is
the fault of
the
teachers].
ascii_field: 'When JTRS started, software-defined radio (SDR) was still in its infancy.
The project's SCA architecture allowed software
to manipulate field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) in
the radio hardware
to reconfigure how its electronics functioned, exposing
those FPGAs as CORBA objects. But when development began, hardware implementations of CORBA for FPGAs didn’t really exist in any standard form.' << giga-l0l!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony haha. nothing of
the stealth plane yet huh.
ascii_field: fluffypony: winblows ce! in
that photo. look carefully
mircea_popescu: now, which would you say is likely
to contain
the largest proportion of intelligent people ?
ascii_field: 'what can
they do? -- wash cars. -- ok, my car is dusty, let's wash'
mircea_popescu: necessarily.
the latter propose
to select from
the set given,
the former have a preformed set
they compare
to.
mircea_popescu: which of
the
two do you propose are more likely
to spend money ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field incidentally, i suspect
the dataset
there has a major flaw.
to model it :
two classes of brothel patrons. class A comes
to reception, asks "do
the girls here
to X ?" ; class B comes
to reception, asks "what can girls here do for me ?"
trinque: obviously paste
the whole
thing; escape codes didn't make it in
mod6: hazirafel_: along with
the logs:
trilema.com if you don't already
ascii_field: which argued convincingly
that a certain essential skill for learning
to program cannot actually be
taught
trinque: wiki.t-o-f.info/uploads/EDM4600/The camel has
two humps.pdf
shinohai: Well
those kids learned what *doesn't* work
ascii_field: hazirafel_:
this is related
to a very old article, entitled 'the camel has
two humps'
mircea_popescu: he said it, and directed it at me, which is why my name is in
there.
hazirafel_: "mircea_popescu: recall
the little quiz, where
the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed
the next 4 years, while of
the shooters in
the dark - none did [23:02] <+ascii_field> (all of
these with no prior experience programming)"
hazirafel_: mireca i didn't get your comment about
the kidz and
the errors
hazirafel_: i did
this course where i wrote in java for 30 hours a week, i have no problem doing it, no pain, didn't love it, it was mildley fun . my problem was organization, i expect it's much worse in C , but i could see it as a motivation for
thinking in a more organized way.
mircea_popescu: apparently recent research actually settles
this point
mircea_popescu: in other news, "the proportion of female faces
that are more feminine
than
the most feminine male faces is much greater
than
the proportion of male faces
that are more masculine
than
the most masculine female faces."
ascii_field: (all of
these with no prior experience programming)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recall
the little quiz, where
the kidz who made consistent errors usually passed
the next 4 years, while of
the shooters in
the dark - none did
mircea_popescu: other
than "this adult exhibits intellectual neoteny".
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
that's nothing but
the infancy/adulthood divide. it's not a personal descriptor
mircea_popescu: and
the relationships a good
two layers deeper/more complex.
ascii_field: (this may be
the ultimate psychological group divide)
mircea_popescu: the advantage is
that c++ grease doesn't irritate
the skin.
the disadvantage is
that well...
this
thing has i would estimate about 10
to 100x more moving parts
than a car,
ascii_field: ^ many would-be 'doom' authors discover
that
they can't actually stomach
the very notion of a machine which behaves precisely as instructed and not 'as intentioned'
mircea_popescu: hazirafel_ it's really a lot like racing.
to be into racing more
than someone cheering in
the stands / swimsuit model crowding
the finish line, you gotta
take an engine apart. grease and all.
ascii_field: but in
this case i do not
think it is unreasonable
to ask kid
to learn wtf programming even means, prior
to writing 'doom'
hazirafel_: you have a point, if i had
the inclination into codeing needing
to be block-chain literate i would of be swimming in it by my age... maybe
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 15:39:53; asciilifeform: every
time i see
the bed of nails i
think of
the soviet caricature
mircea_popescu: "how do i get
the girl i love ?" "get some sluts first"
mircea_popescu: and you'll notice i never
tell 'em
that. it's a stupid
thing
to say.
ascii_field: but when you
tell
them 'write a 1980s-style MUD first'
they balk
mircea_popescu: which, and i say from bitter experience, is just as large a
task as making an os, and so...
the largest class
there is.
mircea_popescu: most kids get into programming because
they want
to make a mmorpg.
ascii_field: for some reason i can't help but recall
the kidz of 1990s who always began with 'where do i learn
to write a game like 'doom' ?'
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:25; hazirafel_: don't know if
this is a good place
to ask, but here ... i'm code literate in java , and i really want
to learn
to know my way around fiddling with blockchains and bitcoin, i would love advice on places
to start and where
to get help and information. i guess i need
to learn C first but i'm looking for more advice.
thanks!
ascii_field: where was
the
thread where mircea_popescu observed, 'if
they weren't dumb shits we would not even be having
this line of
thought' ?
ascii_field: when
the muppets open up on one another, i promise
to wake up mircea_popescu.
though it might have
to be over spark-gap radio
mircea_popescu: if
the line is breached,
the officers decimate
THEIR infantry, not
the enemy's
ascii_field: fires
them for failing
to kill
the state police? l0l!
ascii_field: ^ matters in
the sense
that mayor of city of college park cannot fire md state police
mircea_popescu: "your job is
to defend, me first of all. you failed. go
try your hand at garbage moving."
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 19:21:48; mircea_popescu: and only agreed
to hire a replacewment once
the replacement swore he is firing every single lieutenant in
the department ?
mircea_popescu: let
the unfortunate nato schmucks grown on facebook complain of "brain circuitry"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes but was
then moved
to usa where was nearly
total hermit since age ~9
mircea_popescu: didn't you grow up like sane people, in a sovblok urban development with 1k kids your age / acre and no
tv
to speak of ?
mircea_popescu: it was built, by people,
through
the process of
taking risks.
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse
to produce any more C programmers who are a danger
to
themselves and others.' -- my old dean
mircea_popescu: which i suspect is actually
the result of just how broken school is
these days.
ascii_field: cpp is introduced in stroustrup but
this in
turn breathes not a word re: 'boost' etc
trinque: davout: saw your feedback re: going
through deeds by author. sounds great; I'll
try
to find
time for
that
mod6: the logs (see /topic ) have a wealth of knowledge
too.
the last 6-12 months are worth a read.
mircea_popescu: and, "sufficient proficiency in both c++ and bitcoin so as
to be able
to follow all
the discussion here, and only say something stupid 50% of
the
time and less, and understand why it's stupid once explained 90% of
the
time or more"
jurov: you can expect some false starts before you find material suitable
to you
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i don't know you, and so i have nfi what reference points
to use, and so...
hazirafel_: ehh... complete learning C++ or bitcoin literate ? Ivy League doesn't mean shit necessarily, from
the people i've met
jurov: for c++
there's alway
the K&R canon
mircea_popescu: questions are welcome, a reasonably intelligent & cultured person (which means 1% of ivy league) should be able
to complete
this in a year.