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mircea_popescu: you know, once ceausescu was finally killed, it came to light there have been thousands of people plotting his demise, allegedly. to hear them talk, some of these had gone on for decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, however briefly. the others often never get around to it.
mircea_popescu: which i guess makes sense. to them, anyway.
asciilifeform: what of it is that folks who are really in a hurry to commit suicide with an optional small side dish desert of small-scale homicide are not partizans.
mircea_popescu: tho thieves often think in terms of "o look, a slow scam is being set up!!1"
mircea_popescu: in any case : people who don't steal do not become by this better thieves. they do instead become part of a different world.
mircea_popescu: well yes, they are. so are you. so what of it ?
asciilifeform: and 'every man with spear' did not help the zulu.
mircea_popescu: well no. you are in the unique position where someone killed himself, and you say "his death was not effectual - as it didn't resolve his problems. lo, they are still here!"
asciilifeform: not even among the pashtuns.
asciilifeform: yes, if every man with axe, then game over
asciilifeform: so far best i can think of is 'solzhenitsyn's axe' argument
mircea_popescu: ie, this may be a valid discussion of trapmakers, as it discusses how much of a trap it is, but not at our level, where we discuss what is is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it is no argument to say of the badger trap "but it shot no laser"
asciilifeform: (why did he wait for the usg snakepit to empty?)
mircea_popescu: it is the siren song of britni spears.
mircea_popescu: this is what all they who disagreed with chomsky and agreed with civilisational narrative re joe stack also saw.
asciilifeform: or the like
asciilifeform: rather than quietly cooking trotyl for years
asciilifeform: what i'm seeing with the 'postals' is something like what tlp saw
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure i have enough data to build a chain as you propose.
asciilifeform: this'd be if he had shot the usg polizei repossessing his house, or the like
mircea_popescu: the man that has so shot one, is not by this ineffectual, even if invaders left.
mircea_popescu: the man who has not shot an invader in his livingroom is not by this a man who will not. just a trap no invader has stepped on yet, is all.
mircea_popescu: at that time the first trap to ever spring sprung, and the second had not : a) were the other eleven effectual or ineffectual ? b) was the one that sprung effectual or ineffectual ? note that still badgers around, AND FROM THE POINT O VIEW OF THE BADGERS, every item is just as much a trap as the traps.
asciilifeform: when the nostalgiacs stop.
asciilifeform: re: the question of 'when prospered', little story. today i went again to the argentinian fella (who was thrilled that i had visited his home town) to get major work on my car. took a while, and as i always do, went to the antique shops which surround the place for miles around. and, as before, noticed that the artifacts are chronologically upper-bounded around 1955.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me approach the matter this way : you have an infestation of badgers in your living room. so you set down a dozen traps. overnight, two traps have sprung.
mircea_popescu: hitler&gobbles' inane insanities certainly do not constitute more of a nordic system than the current socialism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only marginal avenue for all that is claiming mussolini's claimed italian revival was genuine. i speak the language and do not believe the theory, in agreement with the vast bulk of native speakers.
asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps, at the latest, when it feasted on the ashes of the remaining planet it burned in the world wars ?
mircea_popescu: definitely the gilded generation.
jurov: btw, when it was prospering? in manifest destiny times?
mircea_popescu: as he caught no thieves.
asciilifeform: even from this perspective, mr postal is ineffectual
asciilifeform: ergo the closest thing to sane man in civilization is, today, the wrecker ?
mircea_popescu: arguably it's right here, but i think it's early for that.
mircea_popescu: sane + civilised is only available at times when a civilisation prospers. these aren't these atm.
mircea_popescu: but the comparison can not be properly carried in civilisational terms - there aren't any. the only common ground is natural, and that's what yields there.
asciilifeform: what planet can i visit to meet sane+civilized ?
mircea_popescu: because what a dead and decaying civilisation does to the brain is indistinguishable from the early stages of mental illness.
mircea_popescu: one's sane and the other mentally ill.
asciilifeform: (orlov's '5 stages' book, as well as of course 400 yrs of euro 'wish i were an amerind' material, ends with just this)
mircea_popescu: so the word's backwards.
mircea_popescu: the rest of the world - unchanged.
asciilifeform: btw it is no accident that this term appeared around the same time that these creatures were actually brought into being
mircea_popescu: ie, a being not informed by the rote assumptions of your culture.
mircea_popescu: is this, properly, "hunger" ?
mircea_popescu: what if - to him, hungry is the subjective sense of lack induced by watching tv without a milk glass in hand like ... every single case of people watching tv he's seen on tv ?
mircea_popescu: you may think "he eats because hungry - just like me", and he agrees.
mircea_popescu: take the easier to digest example of the child who earnestly thinks milk comes from the supermarket.
mircea_popescu: but look : the standard european mecanicism is not a universal ideology. actually, plenty of people have never even heard of it. they regard things - often the same things, yes - but that does not necessarily mean they see themwith the same eyes.
asciilifeform: say he had beaten his brains out against the glass, while attempting escape. while in a sense this is 'honour', what has mouse accomplished ?
asciilifeform: perhaps best comparison is to the mouse in the jar
asciilifeform is labouring under a very palpable feeling of failing to get his teeth around the enigma here
mircea_popescu: no. i don't think your idea of "aims" actually applies to them.
asciilifeform: even the 'jihad' folks don't work this way
mircea_popescu: one certainly can not attempt to apprehend the death of cesaria evora by saying "niggers"
asciilifeform: i'm balking at the idea that the 'how' is this mystical thing that one cannot even attempt to apprehend
mircea_popescu: if your observation about a fact is a word that applies to all facts, you've not even attempted to study the peculiar of the fact.
mircea_popescu: nono, the idea is that calling everything the same thing is the opposite of trying to understand. you can't analyse by synthetic means.
asciilifeform: and what is to be flooded
asciilifeform: i get the idea that 'many raindrops -> flood.' but where is the flood ?
mircea_popescu: ie, applies to everyone dead.
mircea_popescu: well then it's a meaningless concept.
mircea_popescu: let's return to gorgo, the woman that allegedly "spartan women can rule men because they can squeeze them out". her husband famously told her to "mary well and serve her man". also, partizan motherland ?
asciilifeform is grasping for so much as a hint of what works in this context..
mircea_popescu: i dun think any of these actually works in this context.
asciilifeform: job of partizan, however, is not simply to 'die with honour', but take some of the scum with him to hell
mircea_popescu: i dun think so.
asciilifeform: so we have 'partizan died for the motherland' situation.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the buddha'd be a cooking recipe.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is, there's no promise the how will be approachable.
asciilifeform: i'd like to believe that 'happened.' but want to know ~how~. e.g., are there fewer usg cops today than last week? is the fed printing fewer usd ? what, precisely, is this mark.
mircea_popescu: you have to dig no further than right here. the fact that you feel teh need to sell me on the idea he never happened is pretty much good enough.
asciilifeform digs for the original link / stats / corpse count
mircea_popescu: obama has left no mark on the world. this man - has.
asciilifeform: respectable perhaps in the chechen 'died a good death' sense
mircea_popescu: i actually think he is more respectable than pretty much every surviving american.
asciilifeform: or, on other end of the spectrum, 'isis' et al - also run by & for tards (and usg stooges)
mircea_popescu: i do not think this guy is retarded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so where are the non-retarded 'postal' ?
mircea_popescu: imo, eunuchs understand... futility. and for bonus lol points, fut is the present indicative of to fuck in romanian.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it has anything to do with smart.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:24:13; mircea_popescu: i have no fucking clue how greenspun keeps from going on a shooting rampage, living with these idiots.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169596 << smart folks understand futility very well. which is why 'postals' tend to be played out by borderline tards, to no long-term effect whatsoever ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 17:04:21; pete_dushenski: been following that spandrell character that decimation put the chan onto a few weeks back and i have to say that i enjoy and appreciate his historical research and perspective, but it's a shame how badly the kid still cowers in fear of his own shadow
asciilifeform: (there is an apocryphal story where feynman was invited to spoodge into william shockley's 'sperm bank of genius.' and he said 'you have the wrong address! go call my father' ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'regression to the mean' ~is~ a thing
asciilifeform: nothing to write home about
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'children of special people' ~do~ tend towards 'indistinct mass.' yes, dynasties of thinking folks existed, e.g., the bernoulis, etc. but most are more like feynman's daughter
asciilifeform ran into a number of 'home school' veterans at uni. did not notice anything peculiar about them as people, neither for better or worse.
asciilifeform: in the past, there was a great deal of noise esp. in usa re: how slum children, in their rookeries, were the way they were solely on account of lead poisoning. well, where is the lead now? and how are the rookeries ?
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 12:23:56; mircea_popescu: some other schmuck by the name of "jim" explains that he would really really want everyone to beliueve that hte children of special people are not in fact special by this fact, but merely indistinct mass, because everything's equal, and moreover that kids who didn't go through the everything's equal idiocizer "lack the ability to empathize with their peers", which is codetalk for "do not credit the i
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169594 << i read that comment differently - that genetic garbage will not turn into something else regardless of where schooled ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169653 << orlov is obsessed with that fella ☝︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure that i did.
asciilifeform: did i write here re: how a keyboard (esp. a decent 1980s 'ps/2' one) can be 'heard' from across the street ? ☟︎
punkman: yeah I'd rather do airgap on laptop with battery than desktop
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 16:49:14; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169575 << that laptops are only marginally more sane and secure than smartfones, and that proper computing is desktop computing.