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decimation: the linked diatribe was the black church guy
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc thread was about 'police station postal' of about the same time
decimation: yeah I don't get how this 'black church postal' guy accomplished anything
shinohai: Music to code by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2UEyF1wjvU
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
asciilifeform: back to the sisters, my understanding is that if 'westermarck' fails, they work just as well as arranged-wives and the like
asciilifeform: (turned out, the sign means 'neighborhood watch!' and depicts a crossed-out 'spy vs spy' figure)
asciilifeform: (edge of the earth?)
asciilifeform: poor sailboat is just short of sailing off the cliff.
asciilifeform: when i moved here, as a boy, i was constantly puzzled as to why whole wash.,d.c. region is covered in signs depicting... a ship going uphill! >> http://www.lehi-ut.gov/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/snap.a1.gif
mircea_popescu: ah, no, we're discussing economics here. the ship goes uphil like any othjer ship going uphill.
asciilifeform: might want to ask the aficionados
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want a sister on his head.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, men tend to value "fuck me then i take off" girls the most, coworkers less than that and wives even less.
asciilifeform: i was expecting an analogy between receiving free energy from the aether and hypothetical easy short-circuit solution to problem of what to fuck
mircea_popescu: ah that. well, poking around at the world, right ? same reason they stick things in their mouth.
mircea_popescu: what reasons specifically drive children to immitate speech sounds ?
asciilifeform: 'for the exact same reasons'
mircea_popescu: for the exact same reasons, too.
mircea_popescu: perpetuum mobile is also of perennial interest to the same apeish overaged teen mind.
mircea_popescu: which leads back to the point.
asciilifeform: (and to fans of 'thrones')
asciilifeform: only that the subject is of perennial interest to homo redditicus
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm not an inquisitor and cannot comment re: whether the sisters were fucked in reality, or in imagination, and if so, whos
asciilifeform: this particular subject being 'phillippinized' would be almost equally strange as were the reports genuine
mircea_popescu: how about they were all bitcoin experts from "the community" of derps that never saw a bitcoin ?
asciilifeform: (unless they are all philipinos...)
mircea_popescu: what is this, the future ?
asciilifeform: there was a reddit 'ama' thread linked here last year, where sisterfuckers chimed in by the battalions
asciilifeform: (as pictured for mass pr0nification in 'game of thrones' etc.)
mircea_popescu: doubt it tbh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that folks who didn't get 'westermack-effected' for whatever reason, having sisters, are busy fucking them at this very minute
mircea_popescu: ask someone why shouldn't they fuck their sister next time you want an angry puzzled man.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the understandings of the crowd as to the justification of rules is made for the comprehension needs of the crowd, not for the expressive needs of the rules.
asciilifeform: mainly speaking from an ancient pet peeve of mine, where folks who slept through noether and even carnot often map '2nd law of thermo' to a childhood-received 'who does not work, does not eat' and think of it as a 1:1 map
mircea_popescu: it wasn't intended as that.
asciilifeform: so it is not the best example of 'plainly impossible to any thinking person'
asciilifeform: incidentally, the final nail in the coffin of perpetuum mobile wasn't really driven in until emmy noether..
mircea_popescu: sure, plausible, if you're the plausing kind.
mircea_popescu: it is as plausible as the notion that "mecanicity" makes perpetuum mobile more plausible.
mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: [long pause] You really some teacher, Mr. Nazerman. You really, really 's the greatest.
mircea_popescu: tation to dig into the Earth to grow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike!
asciilifeform: (and the impression i got was that the dunbaricity was the ~only~ thing that made the mechanics halfway plausible..?)
mircea_popescu: ut and buy another piece of cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temp
mircea_popescu: gh to have a geography or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right o
mircea_popescu: Sol Nazerman: You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enou ☟︎
mircea_popescu: Jesus Ortiz: Say, how come you people come to business so naturally?
mircea_popescu: you ever seen the pawnbroker btw ?
mircea_popescu: i am aware. this makes it not work quite specifically.
asciilifeform: hence the informal 'coin'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also the implication in the story was that the 'gands' lived in dunbar-number villages
asciilifeform: rather than recipe for life
mircea_popescu: before they fucked it all up, which is what ended it.
mircea_popescu: it's what built the roman empire, the solidus
mircea_popescu: it does not happen period. the "floating value of coin" model gets reliably thundered into the dirt by fixed value coins and arbitrage.
asciilifeform: (on earth, we know that this does not happen, sure.)
asciilifeform: author would probably answer 'jew lands and will die of problems before he gets so much as a gram rather than pound of flesh'
mircea_popescu: it would take me about a month of "earth time" to own one of their townlets, i reckon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i meant was, extract a lesson from the story, or extract the juice from the folks portrayed therein
assbot: 'And Then There Were None' by Eric Frank Russell ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gdr6GB )
mircea_popescu: http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php < that thing.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform therefore I post for newcomers to understand why tor is smacktarded.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that a) the "economic" model contemplated by the naive socialist pseudo-anarchists cooking up the story is broken and b) anyone aged 16 who can't figure out how to extract value out of it should go hang.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169903 << deadly boring on account of none of the material being in any way new (to anyone with even a faint interest in the subject) whatsoever. ☝︎
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GdnKDj )
mircea_popescu: that quote is exactly the http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.258-157.105 observation
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169801 <<< there are english translations (reading ride the tiger atm) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ‘Are you sure about that?’
mircea_popescu: ‘Nonsense!’ declared Gleed. ‘There is no such thing. There is no weapon inventable that the other fellow can’t employ once he gets his hands on it and learns how to operate it.’
assbot: Uncovering Tor users: where anonymity ends in the Darknet - Securelist ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz2OsY )
mircea_popescu: ‘Is that so?’ The other eyed him speculatively, had another pick at his teeth. ‘And what makes him excellent?’
asciilifeform wanders off to pet pet
asciilifeform: and results in equal amount of 'what am i, the single ant, to do, wtf' after reading.
asciilifeform: has pretty much the same point as mircea_popescu's explanation earlier
assbot: 'And Then There Were None' by Eric Frank Russell ... ( http://bit.ly/1GyXHZL )
mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a cat in desperate need of overthrowing the imposition of catdom upon it, however.
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2015 23:26:40; mircea_popescu: mats and cats have had millions of years to develop fishing implements.
asciilifeform: perhaps go back to the observation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-06-2015#1169229 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i did think teh present conversatiuon made it plainly clear.
mircea_popescu: now that i dunno.
asciilifeform: well, is it possible for me to apprehend the correct terms, whatever they might be, or do i need some of nubbins's lsd ?
mircea_popescu: you're discussing the matter in inadequate terms, as if you were to try and judge software by what happens with the table.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo today i saw the classic 'mosin' for sale; costing roughly 3x what i last remember seeing...
mircea_popescu: this is only about the elephant for the elephant.
asciilifeform: (or i imagine that it would, if it could)
asciilifeform: to rephrase, elephant can be killed by hunter - with bullet, or spear even. but there are not enough chimps in all of africa to kill it by throwing own shit at it, even were all of the chimps to agree to this plan.
mircea_popescu: white china survives, and the fucking hittite empire to boot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, by subjective criteria as you employ, the english empire still survives.
mircea_popescu: it's already a given he's taken at most a local maximum
mircea_popescu: but note that at no point would him getting killed be part of a best plan, so
asciilifeform: when i say 'ineffective,' my thought is 'usg can survive as many of these as are ever likely to appear'
mircea_popescu: "hey, this isn't the best plan i ever heard"
mircea_popescu: if this man were here talking, i would make the same exact observation.
asciilifeform: at the very least, enemy cannot simply shrug and ignore burned train
asciilifeform: one fewer german, one fewer train, tank
mircea_popescu: because they proceed of causes, not towards purposes ? who yet even cares per se of body count ?
asciilifeform: my original observation was that the folks who have the mental chops to bring about four, five-figure body counts - do not.
mircea_popescu: ie, check out this guy's excuse.
mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms ☟︎
asciilifeform: but by crowd that reached 'schelling point'