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ben_vulpes: i fear there are either no ungavinized nodes out there, or they're allr unning with no irc connectino
ben_vulpes: confirmed that my node is actually connecting by hardcoding its connection room
cazalla: so what's that do, hasten the effects or increase them as well?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: My CYP450 2D6 is too fast to try that. Converts it to its worst form too fast for a hellish peak (/me kinda also regrets spitting in a tube so USG could profile my dna to discover this)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 01 to 99 ?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 04:19:47; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've never had a whole bottle of dextromorphan only cough syrup and communed with your toilet bowl contemplating "All"
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: well first off there are no clients in the bitcoinchannels
mircea_popescu: you will have to somehow answer the question of "does it try to send"
ben_vulpes is loath to apply wireshark to this
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can't find my fat-fingering, but my node running your patch *does* connect to lfnet. it does not, however, obtain a connection to another node thereby.
assbot: Munich, Germany realizes that deploying Linux was a disaster, going back to Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1SBWRkm )
assbot: Linux Hater's Blog: A tribute ... ( http://bit.ly/1eCCh50 )
mircea_popescu: at least they're brave.
mircea_popescu: need to go buy a new car"
mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "using the bus instead of owning a car is a killer security feature, because a) if someone wants to piss in your seat they don't know which seat you will take (you're of course still open to sitting in a pool of urine that nobody intended for you particularly) and if the ny dept of idiocy decides to make the seats smaller and affix dongs, you get smaller seats and a dong up your ass the next day, no ☟︎
mircea_popescu: retard put thios right after his two "security" "killer arguments" ?
mircea_popescu: "more efficient use of physical memory. All processes share the same physical pages for the code in the DSOs. With prelinking startup times for dynamically linked code is as good as that of statically linked code."
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition << eh let's not exagerate, guy's been dealing with linux for two decades.
cazalla: today is the winter solstice and gee it is fucking cold
funkenstein_: which is part of the problem with the naggum piece as well
funkenstein_: i think this whole cost analysis thing only makes sense to do in a specified context
funkenstein_: hawking said, the universe is the ultimate free lunch
pete_dushenski: i couldn't imagine having spent the last year and a bit more productively, even if, yes, it wasn't free. but what of value is ?
pete_dushenski: for that, i've received a hell of a deal.
pete_dushenski: i've personally taken a lot more than i've given, at least intellectually.
funkenstein_: maybe we will later complain, we were immature to give away our time? I don't think so.
pete_dushenski: where have the last 15 months gone ?
asciilifeform off to bed
asciilifeform is still not certain that he 'makes sense' even today
funkenstein_: maybe that's what it was
funkenstein_: i mean, past the excellent Yeshiva post
funkenstein_: so it's a thing?
asciilifeform doesn't recall doing the 'six months' thing personally, either
asciilifeform: next time you're hungry, try eating this 'useful work'
asciilifeform: it doesn't soak up concentration of the kind that is a serious limited resource in a thinking person's day
asciilifeform: than 'donated time'
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: a usenet post (or, for that matter, me speaking here) is more like a fart
funkenstein_: for us to discuss here now
funkenstein_: anyway, the irony is that he is.. while complaining about it.. donating his time to write the piece
funkenstein_: damn in norway? that is surprising, from what i hear of social system there
funkenstein_: the travel one rings true.
asciilifeform: there are other 'costs' that aren't precisely monetary, like the fact that you can't do the 20 years where you became a serious specialist in something - over again
pete_dushenski: children, traveling, cars, hobbies...
asciilifeform: this is even aside from the expensive things folks sometimes ~choose~ to do when they grow older, like producing children, etc
asciilifeform: that is, having four walls to sit in without strangers sharing the space, to eat real food, to sometimes visit doctors, etc ☟︎
asciilifeform: but overall he was, i think, referring to the more prosaic fact that it costs a hell of a lot to ~not live like a 17 y.o. shit~
funkenstein_: it is an often discussed irony that technology decreases leisure time
asciilifeform: (short version: he decided that he could easily live off the consulting pay from working a few months / year. no. gov. decided that he must be secretly working the remainder of the year, and demanded tax, which he could not afford to pay. was driven into penury and died of self-neglect from easily treatable diseases)
funkenstein_: ok that context does help thanks
asciilifeform: on account of how he ended up - literally - taxed to death
asciilifeform: norway was considerably more expensive for naggum than for just about anyone
funkenstein_: ok i don't know norway.. but i think that needs a bit of sussing out
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: so you oughta be well-equipped to understand the observation re: 'it costs a hell of a lot to live'
funkenstein_: due to various factors you may have already surmised
funkenstein_: probably older than you, just not wiser
funkenstein_: but some things do have needs they address
funkenstein_: this might apply to say, nethack coding
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: would you be willing to share, roughly, how old you are ?
asciilifeform: esp. the part re: 'is a surplus phenomenon'
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: read the naggum piece again.
ben_vulpes: i must be cocking this up in some novel way
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: my nodes are actually failing to connect to either IP
asciilifeform: but they went into the meatgrinder described in linked naggum piece.
pete_dushenski: as such, torvalds won't direct his unpaid armadas towards anything like the targets and projects that mp will.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i dunno torvalds well, but he doesn't seem to have 1/10 mircea_popescu's ambition
asciilifeform: ever wonder how this went away ?
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
asciilifeform: digging up an old thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860 ☝︎
pete_dushenski: well you're far from thick and not all that coloured, but the implication is that for an organisation as ambitious as this one, our enemies have their work cut out for them.
funkenstein_: he feels "tricked" to "give away work"?
asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i still don't feel like i have a grasp of the implications.
funkenstein_: ah, you are on topic :)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: torvalds might do just that if he saw the value of such a calculation and understood the implications
funkenstein_: time to reveal my complete ignorance of lisp
asciilifeform: of how many armadas could have been bought with the money he never had to pay
asciilifeform: just pointing out that herr torvalds could run the same kind of calculation, and end up with similarly fantastic numbers
pete_dushenski: expenses are 'for the greater good' and 'on the book'
pete_dushenski: revenues are decentalised and therefore 'off the book'
pete_dushenski: we're mentally tallying 'the state's' revenues vs. expenses
asciilifeform: who was coercively taxed to write linux kernel ?
asciilifeform: (are we simply mentally tallying unpaid specialist labour?)
pete_dushenski: difference between voluntary and coerced taxation model is my understanding.
asciilifeform: i never grokked that part
pete_dushenski: like the deficits that we can run, no one else can do.
pete_dushenski: the digital domain being quite a different landscape from the concentration camps, i suspect it's entirely possible.
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: i suspect that a healthy chunk of b,tmsr~ is equally prepared to prove this wrong.
funkenstein_: at least from the histories i have read
funkenstein_: that's the one
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: this'd be the thesis that family men have too much to lose to wage war ?
funkenstein_: they show up in gibson's cyberspace don't they
funkenstein_: as someone who spend fathers day cleaning shit off lightbulbs, i look forward to the opportunity to disprove the thesis
funkenstein_: there may be things in the world not on your map
pete_dushenski: it's *all* the zulu had
asciilifeform: if saturday's thread is anything to go on
pete_dushenski: well, strategy's a thing.
asciilifeform: (there were occasions where zulu - won! but notice we have a britain today, shrivelled cock and all, but still on the map; but no zulu) ☟︎
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: spandrell and courage: think about the soviet propagandists' exhortation to 'go kill a german with your bare hands.' was it this that won the war? or also other things, like supply lines from factories set up in open air past urals, etc. ? ☟︎
pete_dushenski: though most don't need to be told this, as spandrell points out.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also ties into mp's "married men should stfu" piece