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mircea_popescu: (this also is why nobody seems
to ever want
to engage him)
Hasimir: the problem I have with
the rarity of black swans is
they nest in
the lake across
the road every spring ...
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: aha. no authors specifically, because he does not specifically understand
that he's battling westerners
that have joined
the choir invisible centuries ago.
☟︎ ag3nt_zer0: no, but due
to reading something you wrote I have started
the black swan
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu:
thanks for
the response... I am confused about
this: "and
the fundamentally flawed proposition
that for
this reason, it is more important
to interpret phenomena
through history
than
through any other lens." -is
this how
traditionalist discourse
treat phenomena? exclusively historically? and also: you say
taleb can provide a damaging critique of
traditionalism? May I kindly ask, whose? What authors/thinkers
mircea_popescu: and wtf is "perennialism" even supposed
to be, pico de la mirandolla and friends ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and
this is also why "social mobility" is such a big deal, representationally, notwithstanding
the nonsense it is in practice, and why
the worst
thing you can do is kick a black dude out of your clubhouse or whatever.
mircea_popescu: so now you're in a position
to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a
threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if
there exists something
that is in fact inaccessible,
then
there can be no such
thing as "humanism", and
thus
therefore socialism is just stupid, rather
than being what
the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly contradictory
to
the hermetic
tradition, nothing else. (which no, is not simply "jewish")
mircea_popescu: or for
that matter even recognize pearly gates if you saw 'em.
mircea_popescu: at its core, humanism is
the proposition not
that
there exists a saint peter by
the pearly gates, nor
that he would understand your language, but
that ~you~ would understand ~his~,
mircea_popescu: (and humanism is
the proposition, beyond naive,
that
there exists an universal aspect
to everything which is immediately accessible
to people. if
this sounds stupid well... it's because humanism, like any socialist ideology, is made by
the stupid for
the use of
the stupid)
mircea_popescu: stuff like
taleb is a much more damaging criticism of
traditionalism
than structuralism ever was or could aspire
to be.
mircea_popescu: and
traditionalism, for
the record, is
the fundamentally correct observation
that
there can not be such a
thing as a new phenomenon, and
the fundamentally flawed proposition
that for
this reason, it is more important
to interpret phenomena
through history
than
through any other lens.
mircea_popescu: (praxis being
the usage of a language, or more properly, representational system)
mircea_popescu: post-post-structuralism is in no sense and
to no degree a return
to "Traditionalism", which is strictly distinct from
the humanism
the original structuralism was supposedly a reaction
to. it is merely
the observation of coexistence :
the stupid generate
their pseudo-meanings out of iteration,
the smart (i've called
these before language creators) have
thei own dictionaries,
the
two categories interplay in praxis.
mod6: so if we get
this one
to work, i
think
that's our best/easiest path, currently.
mircea_popescu: this model is very stupid, notwithstanding interesting results it produces in some cases, and
the failure of google exactly illustrates
the failures of
the model.
mod6: so one of
the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried
that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever,
that
there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE)
that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0
the entire
thing started with
the absolutely correct observation
that words have i nfact no meanings, not anymore
than any one website has google pagerank. a
theoretical model was proposed where meaning of all words is produced
through iteration, exactly in
the same manner pr is calculated (and
this is why google used
to be notable - it implemented a major
tenet of culture at
the
time)
mod6: just of
the bitwise persuasion :]
mod6: i'm gonna nuke
that machine again and
try
to compile it again with
the patch. see if it works. if not, i'll just see if it'll even compile gcc itself.
Hasimir: "these sorts of
things have happened before and have always been attributable
to human error."
mircea_popescu: it'd be interesting if you can show how its flaws impede its intended results and how can
they be cheaply remedied.
ag3nt_zer0: so maybe with a post-post-post
the ship eventually by chance faces due north
mircea_popescu: to say
that any paradigm is flawed is not
to say very much at all.
mircea_popescu: of
the crooked
timber of humanity no correct
thing was ever made.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah ok, after looking up structuralism, I was just hung up on
the idea
that if humanism is constructed on erroneous principles, and is structuralism is a reaction
to humanism...
then its just doubly wayward...
Hasimir: or
to put it another way (re: structuralism), everything is interconnected ...
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:32:50; ag3nt_zer0:
trinque: shotgun definition: orientation
toward a suprahuman or
transcendental "dimension"
mod6: maybe something in my few repeated builds hosed something up.
the /work/ dir does seem
to get blown away every
time.
mircea_popescu: this is a complex point not accessible
to
the novice, and so nothing
to be
taken cavallierly.
mircea_popescu: structuralism is
the proposition
that elements of human culture are defined by
their relationships
to other elements.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0:
trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at
the end he said "welcome
to
the post-post- structuralist world
that
the internet has enabled" or something
to
that effect...
that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was
that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and-
tradition,, but as far
mircea_popescu: anyway,
this is pretty good progress and intel seems
to indicate you're actually ahead of
the curve, so, dun stress.
mod6: (have been having
to add `#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS \ #include <stdint.h>`
to
the start of net.cpp, util.cpp, and wallet.cpp for some bizzare reason)
mod6: oh, and I keep hitting an additional problem aside from what
the "gentoo sanitiy" resolves. i've been holding off submitting a patch for it until I can get
this
thing actually compiled and working.
mod6: (basically, I'm just saying
those patches should have been included in my list above)
mod6: then we can finally go off of a version
that we support, etc.
mod6: before we cut a new milestone, i'd like
to have
this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with
the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.
mod6: of course...
there is
the entire question on
the
table at
this point about
the "gentoo sanity" patches.
mod6: if
this works out, it'll be my first official gcc hack
mod6: now
to find out if it actually /works/ XD
mod6: oh hey, i
think my patch built ok...
mircea_popescu: i'm not going
to not name something america because obama.
mod6: well,
there isn't a previous version 5.4 -- stops after 5.3 and goes right
to 6... so i guess
that could work.
mircea_popescu: this is
the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what
they numbered
them as ?
mircea_popescu: unless, of course,
they're from ms.
then
they need 8. or unl;ess
they're running boost and qt.
mod6: If we add in (officially
the following): { Orphanage
Thermonuke,
TX Orphanage Amputation, { All DNS
Thermonyukyooar Patches } }, I'd say
that'd be a new milestone. And I'd propose
to call it 0.5.3.2
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: yeah i am looking for alternatives
that's why I asked about btc and ed... is
this question a simple "where does
the
trust lie?"... btw you know
those cuddle-puddle poddies
they have all
the students arranged in now? You know,
the ingenious design
that promotes cheating and distraction and love?
Those are fucking MANDATORY in some districts...
teachers couldn't sit
them all facing forward if
they wanted
mod6: The patch we got from
that mailing list was from a different version for sure
than 4.8.4 -- so i've had
to hack it in by hand. gentoo is now applying
the patch properly. and it's compiling as we speak.
there is one caviat
that I need
to get over before I can
test it
though.
mod6: asciilifeform: 1) don't have anything
to add
to
this discussion atm. although, we can have it again if you like. 2) I don't have anything going atm;
The working nodes (on deb6) are down because i'm working on
the gentoo gcc stuff right now.
mod6: I am
the liquor, bobandy.
thestringpuller: in
the even
there are no orderlies? everyone gets pegged with poo?
thestringpuller: this is what scares me! kids with guns are still dangerous (even if it just
them shooting each other)
mircea_popescu: funny
that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect
to be engaged by sane people as if serious.
mircea_popescu: since we're making up numbers, i would say he needs
to have at least 8megapercent support, or else his support won't scale.
mircea_popescu: down from
the 100% he
thought he had back in janaury ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: everytime you shoot
this nigga in
the head he comes back
to fucking life.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given
that I see
Traditonal metaphysics as opposed
to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism
to some degree?
thestringpuller: What's
this bullshit I'm hearing Gavin has 75% (supermajority) support of "the community" on his stupid BIP?
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 ironically enough, im sure
teaching will be fine. schools
tho... hard
to say.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it would by
the very fact of connecting. shows you its ip
mats: for
the record i am not a reverse engineer, my interests are narrowly
tailored
to exploitation
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes
the best apocalypse is
total!
ben_vulpes: i let my
thermonuked node run all night, picked up not a single seed
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means
that: we need seeds.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:07; ascii_field: i will remind readers
that 'irc on butcher block' means a 100% reliance on seeds we enter in config. and also on specifying node's external ipv4.
trinque: I will say
that
the author's metaphysical end of
the world may not be
the only one
transpiring
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: having read
the foreward, looks interesting; I'll probably have it read in a few days
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe
the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply
that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely
that a node is going
to connect
to precisely
the room i'm in and
then bless me with a usable IP addr
trinque: ag3nt_zer0:
thanks, I'll put it in my queue
to read
trinque: somewhat;
though I will not
tell
the future students of
the republic's university
to do otherwise
ag3nt_zer0: haha which means you have been subjected
to less lobotomy
trinque: thought
that which matter rests upon was an open question