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mircea_popescu: nor is the laywer.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, THE DOCTOR isn't seeing jack of all that.
mircea_popescu: the same would have been true if they were fighting cancer as is true when they are fighting the usg.
mircea_popescu: the other one is that, the government. yes, fucktards like shrem end up selling the house to pay "the lawyer".
assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lpjm9Z )
mircea_popescu: in fact. most of these girlies are in the shitter, consider http://trilema.com/2014/holy-shit-technical-analysis-is-real/#selection-85.0-89.62
mircea_popescu: there are two overlapping misguiding things here. one is, the tournament market. you wouldn't imagine singer/songwriters are better off than you because britney spears, would you ? nor would you imagine "pundits are rich" because oprah, or limbaugh or whatever. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "my grandfather was a senator, and my father made a billion, and i'd better do another line of cock^H^Hke before i think about this too muc"
mircea_popescu: as far as they are concerned, getting an even bummer deal than code monkeys. plus they have the family dynasties stuff to make it more painful.
mircea_popescu: there used to be but... in the 50s!
mircea_popescu: there's no lawyer that walks away with a bn from a successful buyout.
mircea_popescu: generally, the prospect of being a lawyer is strictly speaking dimmer than the prospect of being a programmer.
mircea_popescu: and that's not even counting for the currently alive set.
mircea_popescu: anyway. lawyering is only "different" because of your perception. most lawyers die in debt, still not having paid their college costs ☟︎
asciilifeform bbl, off to pet pet
asciilifeform: but computing in the modern, interactive-terminal sense came later.
mircea_popescu: rest of the rot, imo, appeared in the 80s.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as did the rest of the rot.
asciilifeform: if, e.g., aeronautics had waited until such a time, 'airplane' would be synonymous with 'f-35'
mircea_popescu: not even true. computing appeared in the 50s.
asciilifeform: people ask why 'computing is different' and answer is that the field had the misfortune to appear at the same time as the great 'democratization' shit-lathering of the 20th c.
mircea_popescu: but still not that much.
mircea_popescu: arguably intellectual problems, such as software, are easier to clean for being virtual rather than physically embodied
asciilifeform: it reduces the 'ocean of problems' to one particular - scientifically formulatable - problem.
mircea_popescu: if your house is fulla shit, the realisation that an idiot shat your floor does not clean it any.
mircea_popescu: this while true, makes the problems not an iota smaller.
asciilifeform: which is what the 'computing industry' is largely about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody turned thermodynamics off, but it is entirely possible to have a room full of lunatics mumbling 'vroom, vroom'
mircea_popescu: you're cutting off T on one side with dT on the other side.
mircea_popescu: i am not sure this simplification works as you intend it to.
asciilifeform: but the stink of ape-man shit
mircea_popescu: there's no option here, however. no way will be devised where the systematically wrong model can be employed. it's, essentially, what a scam is : the proposition that we've temporarily turned thermodynamics off.
asciilifeform: most of them are not actual problems
asciilifeform: ditto the 'problems'
asciilifeform: once you discover the hidden variable - that most of the creatures masquerading as 'people' are actually apes - you are left without one side of the equation
mircea_popescu: generally when people compare the present with the option they imagine, they take selected bits of each.
mircea_popescu: in theory it works out to better pay and better working coinditions than the alternative, but
mircea_popescu: and yes this means people working can end up not making anything. it does. necessarily.
mircea_popescu: this scenario only plays out in your own mind (admittedly poisoned by a lot of interaction with idiots). in reality it's like this : there are more jobs than people. the system where you pay people a salary only works when there are more people than jobs. when there are more jobs than people you essentially create a large excavator of sense on a large mountain of problems, and divy up the results somehow. such as they
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:34:08; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174884 << i can't pretend to any divine revelation re: the numbers, but what i do see is folks who pay lawyer $xxxxx to solve their problem, and offer programmer $xxx. and then wonder why their programmatic problems remain unsolved. they answer 'lawyer is a man and programmer is a monkey. and the latter gets monkey wage.' answer: you paid for monkey. so that's what you get. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this is the first seriouys problem we ran into, ever since this globalization paradigm.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem exists because it's global. not because "in this tiny island of rust beltlandia so and so rats".
asciilifeform: more rats than shooters atm
mircea_popescu: you don't get to say what you'd like it to be like. ☟︎
asciilifeform: when will mircea_popescu be volunteering for rat shooting detail in the abandoned factories of leningrad ?
mircea_popescu: fnance is what it is, its own kind of thermodynamics, off of which it is actually derived.
asciilifeform: was trying to walk on tightrope between lunacy and sense
mircea_popescu: now you bitch about their nonsensicalness ?!
mircea_popescu: you're the one forcing me to use nonsensical terms to humor you
asciilifeform: measuring software dev in 'man-time' is ~how we got a planet with microshit in the first place~
mircea_popescu: that's what, two million man-years ?
mircea_popescu: yes, i would trade 10 btc for 100bn "worth" of engineering work.
mircea_popescu: forget your own opinion, the thing trades on exchanges, worth what, 100bn ?
asciilifeform: and who's to say what weevils will breed in the crater
mircea_popescu is too old to fall for "progress" and "future" tricks. i'm not paying for that.
mircea_popescu: for one think, iirc that'd do mike_c in.
asciilifeform: if there were, e.g., a martian in orbit, known for his impeccable honesty, who offered to vaporize every last employee of microshit, present and past, for 10 btc - mircea_popescu would decline ?
mircea_popescu: and i mean that literally. a + bi
asciilifeform: what is the removal of the last mosquito 'worth'
mircea_popescu: if that ?
mircea_popescu: tyvm. but... what fixed percent of all the money that's ever going to exist is microsoft worth ?
mircea_popescu: o, wait, "actual money" = "fixed percent of all the money that'sd ever going to exist" ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants to remove a pair of hands from sv, all he'd have to do is pay in actual money
mircea_popescu: for pay to work as you expect there's a strict requirement that jobs < people.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to pay five people to do six jobs!
mircea_popescu: it has to!
mircea_popescu: that's the ACTUAL bargaining chip of the sv firms : if you ACTUALLY want us to pay market rate, market rate's infinity and we're paying it. get printing.
asciilifeform: in the sense of 'this is like protein folding' - sure
mircea_popescu: infinite pay per capita would not fix this
mircea_popescu: there's more pixels needing laying down than there are people who can do it. period.
asciilifeform: i was speaking of problems that are at least theoretically worth solving
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oris it just the thing chicklets derping on facebook and calling themselves designers favour ? << Largely this. I know a person who "Does Video" for a and I am not making this up: "Storytelling Consultancy" or at least he did. Not sure atm what that douche is doing.
asciilifeform: no amount will put out the sun either
mircea_popescu: no amount of pay is going to deretardify reddit.
asciilifeform: well yes, because all of the things one can't even dream of affording 'look quite alike'
mircea_popescu: and yet <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: as far as these folks are concerned, gentoo may as well be a particle accelerator at dubna, ru
asciilifeform: this is ~not~ like the scarcity of, e.g., 'real computer', where ~it doesn't matter if you're rich, it doesn't exist~
asciilifeform: not hard - yes, today - if ~pay~
mircea_popescu: really very low bar, in any other time than the present
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's idea of 'competence' approximately equals 'willing to dig in chernoble reactor for 2 rubles / hour'
mircea_popescu: doesn't look like him to me, but hey. danielpbarron is it or ain't it ?
williamdunne: With the same bear
williamdunne: In my defence though, two bitcoiners who look pretty similar
mircea_popescu: williamdunne folk with beards all look the same to you don't they
williamdunne: Is this DPB? http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/f42abf63ce15666be179844d74acfa74.jpg ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and there is no shortage whatsoever of 'skilled folk.' there is only shortage at a particular price point.
asciilifeform: 1 or 2 alone - so plentiful that 'you can eat with your arse'
asciilifeform: the shortage is of work that 1) pays 2) doesn't make you want to shoot yourself in the head immediately
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 00:06:08; mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1174799 << i live there! ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'embed engineer' sounds simple, but he has to be permitted near the jewels, know what's worth stealing, ~and~ continue working for ~you~ rather than the nice fella who now signs his bonuses
mircea_popescu: there's an endless mountaineous heap of work, and the last time i talked to someone even halfway competent was last week.
mircea_popescu: your ideas of competition come from this world with scarce work and plenty of high skilled folk to do it. this is not the case. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (incidentally, the success history of ussr attempting this was spotty, to say the least.)
asciilifeform: sure. but why would the 'anyone' make the result available gratis to his competition ?
mircea_popescu: anyone can get the mafia to embed an engineer if they have money.
asciilifeform: (perhaps minus the 'nsa chapter' but enough to run shader.)
asciilifeform: if they want the gpu datasheet - they get.
mircea_popescu: why would someone use something other than the car to go shop ? "oh, this is for work!!1"