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mircea_popescu: so this is basically a continual launch deal.
decimation: and leo is the only answer to the latency issue
mircea_popescu: basically, if you're gonna do leo telecoms it's either 1k or go home
decimation: so you a continuous parade to maintain coverage yes
decimation: a few times per day
decimation: leo is only visible for a few minutes at a time
decimation: no, do the orbital math
decimation: speed of light delay from earth to geo and back is intolerable
mircea_popescu: would seem to me.
mircea_popescu: decimation ok, sure. but all you need is one up. having to up helps maybe some. 200 ? marginal utility decays pretty fast
decimation: and therefore need lots for coverage
decimation: low earth satellites can only 'see' a small fraction of the earth
mircea_popescu: and then mom asked "in what currency" and i said "doesn't matter"
asciilifeform: as in, turkeys.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:12:48; asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175593 << i was worth > 1 bil earlier this year i'll have you know! ☝︎
asciilifeform: it 'helps' in the sense of (as they hope) setting up money siphon from usg
decimation: apparently his airline is still going to shit
mircea_popescu: i don't get something. what does having more satellites help ? you still have the same problems of intsat whether there's ten or ten thousand.
mircea_popescu: if they stacked shit that high he could have a twin brother, go whiterafting with the bitcoin godfather pair.
mircea_popescu: you name it, he turned it to shit. shitranson.
mircea_popescu: "space tourism". shit.
mircea_popescu: airline. went to shit.
mircea_popescu: music label. went to shit.
mircea_popescu: decimation isn't he the original "how to make a small fortune ? start with a big one" ?
decimation: yeah, point of db admin is to actually think about how to arrange data
mircea_popescu: this "without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator." reads to me like "car that can be used without breaks"
decimation: yeah he also invested in that 'space tourism' loltron
decimation: without db admin, or thinking person involved
decimation: ^ guy had to wedge relational database into ancient unix shit
decimation: "Hipp was designing software used aboard guided missile destroyers, which were originally based on HP-UX with an IBM Informix database back-end. The design goals of SQLite were to allow the program to be operated without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator."
mircea_popescu: i thought stamp collectors all use mysql
decimation: no, actually it was originall designed to be wedged into a usg radar system
asciilifeform: and yes, sqlite was not meant for this
decimation: yeah, I think yarvin's 'state vs dod' proxy wars make a fair bit of sense
asciilifeform: muppet can 'bite' muppeteer, but to a point.
asciilifeform: mr mold's term was 'muppet state'
decimation: yeah he is just the crazy guy who yells at people until he is placated with rice
funkenstein_: i'm not in the know, but always assumed various usg hat wearing agencies mostly competed with other usg hat wearing agencies
decimation: if only to make it obvious that usg employees can't trust usg to keep them safe
decimation: of course the opm hack did about 1000x more damage to usg
decimation: yeah, but dpr has already shown how to annoy usg
asciilifeform: between the coke, whores, and 'warcraft' - when ?
punkman: there's like 3 dozen of them
decimation: asciilifeform: actually what amazes me more is that kim-jung-il doesn't run his own 'silk road' ☟︎
asciilifeform: but folks who actually ~saw~ sr alive tell me that this was always loony.
decimation: heh me too
asciilifeform: incidentally, prior to the fall of ulbricht, i entertained the notion that sr is run by 'serious person'
asciilifeform does not have 'intel dept.' and cannot comment re: what miners do, aside from the trivially observable
decimation: these skills are not the same 'ting' as taleb wrote
decimation: knows more about how to pile asics than how to program bitcoind ☟︎
asciilifeform: much to lose - little to gain.
asciilifeform: can't help but wonder if any serious miner will ever touch what he himself did not write
decimation: at any rate, making the reference client attractive to miners would be wise
asciilifeform: they can look at recently blockified tx-en
decimation: so n00bs know how much 'fee' to add
asciilifeform: not sure why any communication other than 'fee' and 'made into block or not' is necessary here
decimation: I suppose they can find through out-of-band comms with miner or by 'did it make it into block'
asciilifeform: responsibility of sender of tx to learn what 'going rate' is
asciilifeform: why would they bother to answer ?
decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee' ☟︎
decimation: asciilifeform: one can imagine an entire new 'metaprotocol' for sufficiently pleasing a miner to accept your txn
asciilifeform: (like the idiot 'change addr' thing)
asciilifeform: not even sure that it was done for cache, rather than out of some misguided notion of 'anonymization'
decimation: as in, why does non-miner node even bother with txns?
asciilifeform: why is everybody stuck playing cache for the miners
asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge ☟︎
decimation: or a conf flag for sorting txns by value for a miner
decimation: or by setting a conf flag for 'how long does txn sit'
asciilifeform: by, say, turning off mains plug
decimation: thus, node may flush txn at its pleasure
asciilifeform: out of general principle, ought to retransmit until 'blockified'
decimation: if you failed to make it in a block, your txn doesn't exist, resend
asciilifeform: where would they go.
decimation: a new block is found, some of the txns in memory are now contained in the new block
decimation: well, imma node, I hear txns, they all come from previous blocks
decimation: do the 'non-blocked' txns remain?
decimation: so when new block is found, and the new block only contains a subset of the existing tx pool
asciilifeform: asking node to accept maybe-verifiable-as-not-rubbish-tomorrow is a jam-tomorrow.
asciilifeform: key point here is that anything without a hard antecedent ~on disk now~ could equally well be random garbage
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 00:42:31; asciilifeform: mod6: he rebroadcasts until finds a node that can accept it without 'jam tomorrow'
decimation: asciilifeform: so does the tx pool consist strictly of those txns which originate from previous block only?
asciilifeform: Vexual: ship runs tight cunt
Vexual: cunt runs a tight ship
asciilifeform: and i see no reason to ever bring it back..
asciilifeform: ^ whoever wants to do this, it'd be a good thing
decimation: asciilifeform: in the future, it would be useful to set the 'buffer size' for incoming txns in the conf file
asciilifeform: (rollover by default, but can be toggled)
asciilifeform: i probably oughta add a commandline flag for this
phf: asciilifeform: i ran into log rollover, and had to restart syncing process from scratch. yet another "convenience" anti feature
asciilifeform: the whole 'one sync partner at a time' thing is also retarded, but trying to do anything about it without bringing back 'bastard cache' is pointless
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's certainly not the most pressing problem with bitcoind
decimation: it's amusing to watch the thing jump around
decimation: phf: I made a patch to note from which node each block comes
asciilifeform: decimation: the current 'solution' - patience - also works.
asciilifeform: but perhaps you did this already yourself.
phf: asciilifeform: unfortunately not, parsing the log files
decimation: the only solution I can think of is to spoon feed nodes in a 'known good' order
asciilifeform: phf: if you generated this with a custom patch for the beast itself, please share this
decimation: I did a small sample of this, but not the whole deal