451700+ entries in 0.274s
trinque: is
this a distributed
thing, whereby one circuit requests access
to another?
trinque: hm, so is
there some circuit which is responsible for
the adjacency of other circuits?
trinque: a data structure somewhere read by
the switching matrix?
trinque: and
this declaration is...
trinque: I could declare
that
the
terminal circuit is now connected
to (among other
things) my circuit which logs
terminal stuff?
trinque: is
there some data structure manifested in
the lisp system which represents
the state of
the
thing?
trinque: what is
the circuit? how do I write code which reads
the current state of
the
terminal?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Right. I should have noted
that
this is an example of what "sane I/O" might look like.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: end of a circuit, so "circuit" is bedrock, or composed
thereof?
gabriel_laddel: so, for instance,
think of
the
terminal you are now
typing into. on a
true dataflow box, it would simply be
the end of a circuit (screen memory) directly linked
to a circuit with
the keyboard matrix decoder on
the other end of it. you
thus also lose
the concept of ‘interrupts’ or ‘processes’. a dataflow box doesn’t need a scheduler, or an interrupt
trinque: asciilifeform: yes I have, and grok
the gist, I
think
trinque: right, so on linux I could write some bits
to /dev/fb0 ; what might I go read about regarding how
that's done on... would genera be a good example?
trinque: asciilifeform: how should IO look? what
to read?
trinque: I'm just glad I figured out I needed
to relearn programming at 28 rather
than 58
trinque: can't build a VM for some syslisp which is
then implemented later as hardware?
mircea_popescu: actually it's quite possible
the eventual b-a distribution is a sort of lisp "java machine"
trinque chants "do not give in
to astonishment" as he fires up
the clim listener
trinque solemnly swears not
to write his own linux distro with clim-based DE in a year
trinque: ah, no it's doing fine
there
trinque: haven't
torqued it hard enough
to know yet
mircea_popescu: the source matters first and foremost. just like you cant have "a message" without first having
the key
to decrypt
the asc with
mircea_popescu: and no,
the "opinions" of
tim swanson are NOT opinions. because no wot. and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: and no, promises
to pay from josh garza are not bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "oh, recognition has ocunter-productive effects". no. perelman rejected
the recognition you were offering BECAUSE IT CAME FROM YOU
mircea_popescu: just like i wouldn't
take a nobel on
the basis
that i do not wish
to have
the shiot
they gave obama.
mircea_popescu: so no. rewards reward. being associated with
the refuse of white civilisation does neither reduce
to
that, nor stand for it, nor is a basis of a conclusion. of course nobody sane or
thinking wishes
to be associated with
the filth.
mircea_popescu: the shit
the puritan us does for "rewards" is NOT
the statu quo. it is just
the retarded, intellectually bankrupt, morally offensive charicature of
the world
the usian puritans came up with.
mircea_popescu: "The recognition
that rewards can have counter-productive effects is based on a variety of studies," << it is strictly based on a felonious substitution. it is exactly like saying "sex can be unpleasant for women" on
the basis of
the sex we practice being very violent rape.
mircea_popescu: i am apparently unfamiliar with
the sfs of your home world.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform>
trinque: actually 'lisps' happen because
the alternative would be a civilization
that doesn't leak. and we don't have one of
those
to kick around << amusingly enough, re
the earlier dog discussion : dog cunt seals, for
this reason.
mircea_popescu: it's basically an implementation of racism.
the presuposition being
that
the color of
the skin conveniently summarizes
the abilities of
the
thing contained in
that skin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i find
the proposition
that "version numbers" are any sort of program signal utterly retarded.
trinque: I've heard it said
that were
the US
to want
to repeat Apollo,
they'd have
to practically start from scratch, as nearly everyone who had mastery over
the processes used before are now dead
trinque: someone
towering comes along and he knows how
to do X; yet without enough others
that understood him, it'd make sense
that
the knowledge ends up lost
trinque: asciilifeform: isn't
this "leaking" more something like not having enough vessels
to preserve it?
pete_dushenski: alrighty,
time
to go run off all
this ice cream i've been
tragically eating. a la prochaine !
trinque: there were earlier egyptians supposedly
that knew how
to make
the
things,
then
there were later egyptians
that basically squatted on what was built before, having no idea how it got
there
trinque: I recall some
theory
that
this happened with
the pyramids
trinque: to *prevent*
that from happening.
trinque: that
to me clearly points out
the role of power in human life
trinque: so
they continued on and eventually engulfed
the subject in
their own shit
cazalla: jurov,
those warnings are
the fucking
things i've been getting every 2-3 weeks for months
trinque: lisps must occur where
there were men orders of magnitude better
than
their contemporaries, such
that
the contemporaries barely had any idea what
they were doing
there
trinque: I recall someone making
the point
that
there can be greater distance between men
than men and animals
pete_dushenski: trinque: gotta find
the boundaries of
the glass jar by ramming into it head-first
trinque: asciilifeform: had a
thought earlier driving around re: your observation
that
there are lisps in many fields: a high water mark reached,
then from which retreated.
jurov: not sure when
they 'cated
the warning
jurov: mircea_popescu: another 0.9.1 runs fine for months, only with "errors" : "Warning:
This version is obsolete, upgrade required!"
trinque: I wouldn't be a common lisp programmer by now if I hadn't aired a bunch of idiotic
thoughts of my own on programming in public.
pete_dushenski: "that's not what i said you idjit !" "oh, my bad, let me
try again !" "that's a bit better !"
pete_dushenski: there has
to be someone halfway up mt sinai, playing broken
telephone between moses and
the golden calf lovers.
pete_dushenski: one who enjoys making a public hash of
things, just
to let
them breathe,
then correct
mircea_popescu: he writes
these posts in
the full knowledge
that
they'll be like... "NONE OF YOUR DIGITS ARE RIGHT MATE!!!. it's not 4, it's 3. not .0 but .1. not .x0 but .x4. not .xx0 but .xx1. not .xxx0 but .xxx5. etc.
mircea_popescu: i am kinda amused by pete's fundamentally
tragic figure, btw.
trinque: man I kinda like
that... putting
tasks which need done in
terms of
that which
they deprive
the republic