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mircea_popescu: polarbeard "I'd get it one piece at a time. And it wouldn'
t cost me a dime..."
mircea_popescu: which is why "well breed" old guard products don'
t usually carry much value with the treason that just prospered.
mircea_popescu: but generally, as an aspiring young lord, you don'
t have either the time or the resources to spend any time or resources with any women that would settle for anything but the best they can possibly get.
mircea_popescu: ie, "i say whore because she won'
t fuck me" vs "i say whore because whatevs"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i personally don'
t. there's a common disease of whores (and no, programmers aren'
t fundamentally anything else). it manifests like so : should a wolf find a delicious morsel, it will neglect it oft to the point of just letting it sit while it draws a perimeter around and inspects for whence it came for and MOAR. meanwhile, a mouse that found a morsel will grab it and run, never to return.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 14:39:04; mircea_popescu: phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can'
t say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist.
adlai: educational holes; haven'
t read Анна Каренина, perhaps
mircea_popescu: phf i dunno man, i've been trying to unravel in my head what the issue is/was, can'
t say i've got very far. the only thing i can say is please, insist.
☟︎ phf: ben_vulpes: of course, that bsd patch doesn'
t stand in isolation. it was produced at a certain time, was since used by several people to build a version. but there's nothing to sign, because there's only pre-v patch
phf: everything else in there is either cross platform clarification or straight up an #ifdef. it's a tiny ass patch, if it doesn'
t build on rotor, linux, etc. it's a bug in a patch
phf: the ~only~ "script" aspect of the patch is "-Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" which is a cross platform gcc argument that ensure that pthread is truly fully statically linked into bitcoind. the issue that some parts of it don'
t appear consistently with openbsd gcc ~and also on some of the linux gcc versions~. fucking says so in the original email
BingoBoingo: "Maybe we aren'
t seeing heaven because one of us is a J-O-O" -Eric Cartman
phf: mircea_popescu: ok, so i wouldn'
t say not welcome, but since neither patch was given a courtesy of a smooth transition, i assumed that neither are seen as particularly important. спасение утопающих дело рук самих утопающих (tm) (r)
phf: as it stands foundation doesn'
t support openbsd, and when someone wants to build on openbsd, i just support them directly
☟︎☟︎ phf: basically the patch being dropped created bunch of work for me, that i don'
t have bandwidth to pursue. (i.e. produce a v version, test on stator)
phf: one of the features of the openbsd patch is that it should build cleanly on linux, i.e. naive build or a stator build. i did a naive build that work, while i was developing, but since i assume it was not included in stator i can'
t speak to that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, do i get the impression you got the impression your patches aren'
t welcome or something ?
pete_dushenski: that being said, i've always thought that version numbers should "roll over" at a certain point. not like mac os8 went 43372 sub-versions before macos 9 showed up. eh. i guess it really doesn'
t matter.
phf: when it was written and submitted it applied cleanly to the tree. to my knowledge it doesn'
t interfere with stator build. in fact the whole point of patch is to make minimally intrusive changes to source so that interested parties don'
t have to track down silly issues when attempting a build on their own. it's my understanding that the patch was simply dropped during v-ification, so of course now it doesn'
t in any way fits into
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i tried 14 for a few days. couldn'
t believe how laggy it was. haven'
t tried 10 (or whatever the b-a approved one was)
pete_dushenski: i don'
t think anything drove me more nutso when using 10.8 than the inability to find a file in a folder you ~just~ placed it in moments earlier.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> we don'
t have a computer. << well, this goes back to the same thing. currently we're married to some linux varient to do (future) building of flashable universe
mod6: asciilifeform: so are we basically, with rotor, able to not only build a static bitcoind, but couldn'
t we also build a flashable rom that contains said static binary - a flashable universe so to speak?
mircea_popescu: understand mod6 : the thing that scared me above isnm'
t per se the fact that now we need 4, but that well... it grew. might be we're sitting on some unbounded complexity / a loose recursion tail.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 18:15:49; mircea_popescu: dude speaking of "provability" bs. FSB are "provably secure" because it can be proven they're at least as hard as regular syndrome decoding. which is np complete. while we don'
t actually know if THAT is in fact resolvable in polynomial time or not, nevertheless... PROVEDLY SECURE!!11
mircea_popescu: but riddle me this : how does user know his openbsd make process isn'
t satan's own ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won'
t be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass. << agree. I think that what I'm getting at is maybe it ends up being like cisco ios.
mircea_popescu: wouldn'
t it be a shitton cheaper to not need a vm layer if at all avoidable ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 here's the problem with "Bitcoinos" : you will want it adapted for bitcoin needs, which necessarily means it won'
t be your tool of choice for doing almost anything else, which necessarily means maintaining it will be a pain in the ass.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So that I don'
t have to link fiat uni web sites.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if someone has a box that they're using, they can'
t run a bitcoin node there unless they run it under bitcoinos ?
mircea_popescu: so you bring up your *bsd box, run rotor on it, does it build or doesn'
t it.
mircea_popescu: so then the model here is to have fundamentally speaking a pogo/arm-ish level bitcoind/os, that doesn'
t really natively build on anything without a laundry list of finicking ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform logically : a) you won'
t want to ssh into the node and do your bash there (providing it even has ssh). this means you'll be stuck using something else on top of bitcoin-os.
mod6: because they can not use buildroot... at least, I don'
t *think* they can, easily at lesat. they could turn on Linux Binary Comapt mode and perhaps some other kernel tweeks. would need to be looked a.
t.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so basically we can'
t use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ? << and further more, they'll never have the same build process like we want.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so basically we can'
t use our convenient makefiles to build the pressed source ; openbsd people gotta finagle their own build chain to get the same source to compile and link ?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can'
t be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
mircea_popescu: we can'
t be the first people doing a multi-platform release.
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 00:41:21; mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can'
t be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
ben_vulpes: "We DEMAND an online database that outlines the deadlines, dates, and forms critical for the successful academic journey of Black students" because we can'
t be arsed to figure it out ourselves, read syllabi when they're handed out or at all, and because of course knowing to do all of the above is something we were not prepared for in life and this must be rectified at the expense of everyone else attending the school.
mod6: having an alternate to linux is important to me. and i was able to build a static binary, but obviously this doesn'
t work with the rotor (linux only buildroot). i did build it with the stator.
mod6: The hang up here is that, it basically can'
t be mirrored in the same place as the rest of the patches; simply because when one sync's up against a mirror your changes will break the rest of the tree.
☟︎☟︎ phf: fwiw openbsd didn'
t make it through v-ification either, it was designed to work cross platform, but i believe there were makefile modifications since, that didn'
t include it. i don'
t actively run openbsd, so can'
t integration test the result
phf: i can bring it forward, it wasn'
t included in the v release, nor did anybody ask about it, so i assumed it's not needed
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> me: 'the measure of a state's sovereignty and quality of life therein is the degree to which it can deny benefits to outsiders' << certainly works to "why is B,TMSR~ superior to USG and necessarily a replacement thereof". << to borrow a recent parallel from copypaste, couldn'
t the same be said of best korea?
mats: i don'
t make the rules, man
mats: but the complexity it adds, usually isn'
t worth it
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2016 15:24:17; thestringpuller: LOL >> "Don'
t forget Mr Popescu, who loves to harp on about how Bitcoin is not for the unwashed masses, just two weeks ago had a hugely embarrassing fiasco where he revealed he hadn'
t the faintest idea how Bitcoin transactions work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but ONLY full auto means you can'
t do most of the things you actually want to do.
mircea_popescu: "wait, that coems to ONLY 15% a year ? TOO SMALL!!1" <<< meant to be "only 150%", cuz nigga can'
t exponentiate, divides instead.
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2016 17:52:11; mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo 's
https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/808993/4006420 << check out the ugly head of puritanism rearing its head yet again. "if i don'
t enjoy anything in the world i will surely be spared doom!!1". nothing's quite as resilient as idiocy.
ben_vulpes: mostly because the shaper is a 5hp terror of cutter-face that'll make you think seven times before even beginning to cut, whereas your friend's table saw doesn'
t have the sawstop that your *other* idiot friend bought.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i imagine you don'
t use iphoto
thestringpuller: aha. I really should just learn to _actually_ cook. But I don'
t even know what foods I like.
thestringpuller: She doesn'
t cook as well as my buddy who went to culinary school.
thestringpuller: For me I just have my own menu and tell chef "fix X here is money to go buy groceries. Don'
t get the cheap stuff."
mircea_popescu: spare me, i don'
t believe in hiring your shitty workers on my dime. i'll take a slavegirl with, and she can wait on me. your inept "staff" can go hang, how abvout that ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you sound like that d00d in pulp fiction who doesn'
t believe in tipping.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this wouldn'
t be a result of tarantino-cultism would it ?
mircea_popescu: i never lived anywhere that wouldn'
t have just splattered the derp.
ben_vulpes: he can'
t imagine a situation in which people are not condemned to his own version of hell.
mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, senor vulpes understands quite exactly what i don'
t like about the subculture.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aren'
t there a million open source for 'em to get cycled through? each no doubt in need of deproblematizing some codebase of genderered nouns?