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snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:23:04 mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940572 << dunno that anyone's at risk of moving there. it's a maybe 9 of 10 on difficulty level.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:41:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940564 << always wanted to see vienna. and budapest. ( and 'not on a tank, like grandfathers' !11 ) but dun expect to ever afford it
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 << needs several things, e.g. locking cage, clean bw, sane upstream, reasonably habitable locale, a BingoBoingo to inhabit it, a userbase that adds up to > the cost of operation...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:49:08 mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis"
mp_en_viaje: judging by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940527 | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940531 you managed it in negatgive time, ridin' on a tachyon beam
mp_en_viaje: your notion is exactly my notion, "subset of same set" translates as "they're the same thing" as in, "measures of x coord". then you emphasize giving the symmetry point, where i couldn't care less. and BECAUSE your notion of opposite requires a given symmetry point, then therefore your notion of "what the set may be" is limited thereby, so it'll be things like "measures of coordinates" or such narrow things. whereas my set i
mp_en_viaje: i use the set-theory basis for "opposite", yes. two subsets of a set are opposite if they have no shared elements. i'm not entirely sure how to construct an algebraic notion of "opposite" that's not immediate nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: i have a lot more in common wit ha woman than with most other things.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, how is a woman exactly oppposite ?!
diana_coman: really? next you'll become a woman because exactly opposite or what?
mp_en_viaje: a, no. tarantino in my mouth strictly means pre kill bill.
mp_en_viaje: to me they seem exact polar opposites. consider... i dunno, consider his rendition of the stupid white man, as seen in dennis hopper's character in true romance. dude EXACTLY GETS IT, there he sits, "enslaved on a continent his fathers fought to conquer", the moron incarnate. he "did things his way" or whatever the fuck it is he did, became an alcoholic. now lives in a container next to a railway and other piled ifnrastructu
mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:41:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such)
mp_en_viaje: ow, half a year later, that anyone anywhere actually believes norway is a rich country. i've not encountered poverty like that since egypt, yet people actually believe this, that norwegians are not the bottom of the desperation pile.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940496 << problem with orcs, that even evaluating their poverty is impossible from a distance, gotta go there first. much more competent and capable at "giving the impression of" than actually doing the thing they're giving impressions of, by design and deliberately constructed. i can't fucking comprehend, even n
mp_en_viaje: people lie, and the contemporary fucktard mindset is... well... that the point of life is letting them.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:19:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:18:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940486 << a dc may have redundant connectivity, but this is a physical not a logical matter. conider your house may also have redundant wiring, such that you have plugs in different rooms, but nevertheless they're all powered by the same monopolistic power co.
asciilifeform: but 3) this aint any sorta solution, solution will have to consist of a pipe that doesn't randomly drop chunks of our space.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when dulap is accessible, i'ma ask BingoBoingo to reserve a coupla spare ip for it.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 02:19:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
BingoBoingo: If Chile was a bit further north, and either got rid of the Andes or found Atlantic instead of Pacific coast it could have maybe been an option.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such)
asciilifeform: wore out a pair of chinesium boots, even.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 19:53:18 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938406 << in positive news, this is possibly the best thing for a human. each year with >500 miles on the odometer under age 50 adds 6 months of ~mobile~ life after age 70.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outta curiosity, didja in fact discover that a dc exists in cambodia ?!
BingoBoingo as he waits a few more minutes for the rain to stop before taking a walk anyway feels he has to interject that at least Cambodia's Soviet wears a uniform advertising his Sovietness
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:47:24 BingoBoingo: hasn't given thought to an alternate universe where Cambodians respond to commercial inquiries in at least a year
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940483 << iirc last go around BingoBoingo found that asia has laffably narrow pipe to rest of planet. ( which makes a sort of sense, when's the last time you reached for a www on a vietnamese box ? chinese ? )
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
BingoBoingo: A number of Hong Kong operations ended up appearing to be the same operation, while another's major branding was hosted software for the Chinese laundry industry.
BingoBoingo hasn't given thought to an alternate universe where Cambodians respond to commercial inquiries in at least a year
BingoBoingo: Some insane criteria lead Amazon to announce a future Argentine datacenter this week https://archive.is/s0809
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940365 << i don't even recall now how uy was picked. must've been a lsit and some sorta process
mp_en_viaje: but you also can't continue in this vein, what, whenever random internet dork sends half a quarter of an eight gbps your way you're croaked for the evening ? tis ridoinculous.
mp_en_viaje: sounds like a plan.
BingoBoingo: Thank you. I guess I'm going to have to do the only things I can right now. 1. eat some food 2. Take a walk, etc and try to have burned more calories in activity today than stress 3. Go to sleep sober
mp_en_viaje: so far the situation here is that you stumbled on the cable and took half a day to plug it back in. got anything that can actually move us past this ?
mp_en_viaje: on any kind of radar, i feel like an idiot showing people a trival example of a saturated pipe and pretending like they should be impressed.
mp_en_viaje: nevermind questions. 1. i am stuck with customers correctly pointing out that my uptime this month will ~maybe~ reach two nines. it'll be a wonder if this outage doesn't put me entirely out of business. 2. do you have any actual substantial anything to point to, because brandishing about "hostile" and "attack" and etcetera empty wordage isn't doing anything for me. in particular 20mbps for a few minutes doesn't even register
mp_en_viaje: the reason i asked about the graphs was because, eg, "Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit with substantial, apparently hostile incoming traffic with targeted at a few IPs in the IP range." is entirely false.
asciilifeform: 2nd pic dun look like any kinda ddos at all, simply saturated incoming pipe, happens erry single time anyone uploads a coupla GB of db dump or whatnot
BingoBoingo: Sarcasm with respect to the graph's utility may have been a bit too subtle
asciilifeform: i've had industrial pipes cut out for whole biz day on acct of backhoe. but this aint a backhoe, backhoes make some sorta sense. this dun make sense.
asciilifeform: this was ( and continues, dulap still dead ) a maddeningly sovokesque experience, where we pay vendor for fish 'that's what they don't have at the fish counter' but short of borrowing mp_en_viaje's freighter and laying own fiber i can't presently think of a final solution to it
asciilifeform: ffs BingoBoingo . does that looklike a 'NO NULLROUTES' and 'PLUG IT THE FUCK BACK IN' to you ?
BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=maNq << Second draft reflecting the receipt of the offer for a firewall phone call
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?! << I have no idea wtf a firewall is supposed to do against an inbound DDoS
lobbes: in any case, no live auctions atm. I can let it sit for a minute
lobbes: asciilifeform, heh I saw. Though I'm just a customer; I'll respect BB's wishes if he wants to ban naked joins for the time being
asciilifeform: lobbes: the cloaks thing is 100% red herring, i have a deliberate bait running for 2+h nao naked, and 0 floods
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 21:23:32 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940398 << this would be auctionbot. I dun presently have a cloak for it, so feel free to just kill the process (it is running in sbcl) and that should prevent any naked joins. I can move bot to a non-piz box in the interim
mp_en_viaje: what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?!
lobbes coming live from a fresh ZNC install on another box... goes to catch up on logs
BingoBoingo: I also just received http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4nFG "We can have a call next Monday, if that is OK with your schedule. We think that a firewall will help you with this type of problems."
BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=MHHw << Here is a draft of what I have so far to send. asciilifeform mp_en_viaje I would like your input. Please let me know if anything is missing.
asciilifeform: i'ma take a walk an' come back.
BingoBoingo: We can put to rest the idea that was done in a completely automated way corresponding cleanly to joins
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on putting together a draft for that. Before I send it, I will paste it in channel because I would like serious feedback to make sure I am putting the right questions and pressure on them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you drive through the thick heads that 'getting ddos' aint a violation of the service terms, and that the fuckers are obligated to provide service, on whatever level available ?! what is this nullrouting bullshit anyway?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would also like to find a solution that is cheaper than 'switch continents' . but 'cloak bots and pray to satan that enemy doesn't realize that he already knows the piz ip range' aint any kind of solution !! at all
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you do understand that even if your idea re 'it's a irc ddos bot' is factual , it aint any kind of solution to ddos ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: listen, the whole 'oh but uncloaked' thing is ridiculous. what, this is isp that falls down when a sparrow farts on it ?!
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a state monopoly on data transfer. can't have meaningfully diff dcs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only mp_en_viaje has point, and yer gonna have to talk w/ latech , but is high time to find out what other dc exists in that orcistan, lt's can't be the only 1 ( if it were, would be dangerously close shave in itself, to be had over a barrel )
mp_en_viaje: yours does not reload the page on clicking a link ; hers does
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so far thing doesn't seem all that kosher. i dunno wtf sense this makes, but a sit down with them will hafta happen cuz obviously pizarro's dead in the water like this
mp_en_viaje: in other minutia, since i'm using diana_coman 's logviewer i notice that ancient behaviour of, if you click on a link on the page page is reloaded came back. asciilifeform 's viewer does not do this for some reason.
BingoBoingo: I'm going to draft an inquiry for the business side contact asking what can be done to keep routine internet weather from incurring a reaction far more destructive than the weather. Will post for review before issuing. In the latest news from the tech team http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QSzj
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: couldja share what it was you said to the latech derps ? cuz i'm getting the impression that you left'em with impression that it is somehow acceptable to nullrout a paying customer's ip block.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940190 << look, the sort of shit here discussed is https://www.bootyou.net/ sorta ~nothing. if it actually does put you on the fritz, and the hoster starts whining about "attacks" and whatnot, you just need a real hoster.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i guess it's lulzyrelevant. the "Eh, dar dacă pun un articol cu o țâță, cu o bucă, cu o tipă îmbrăcată sumar sau, cum a fost ultimul, cu 2 tipe plimbate în lesă prin oraș…pac, 10.000 de vizite în primele 3 ore, de m-au sunat oamenii de la firma de hosting că ce se întâmplă, că le pun serverele în cap!" passage roughly translates to a) obscure idiotic blog organised by the remnants of [http://
asciilifeform had just about same observation as in above, but currently at a loss for actionable idea short of buying a trawler and laying own fibers
mp_en_viaje: otherwise, there's a script kiddy / week or thereabouts, coming to nigh on a thousand by now.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the fact that trilema doesn't really suffer from "rotating ddos" aka, some dork with a wp list &c, is that trilema is an adult service, rather than a flavour of above mentioned, "virtual server, fiddy bux"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ? << Their estimate to call back was half and hour issued 16 minutes before the question
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:07:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
BingoBoingo: Outside the WTC "Free Zone" their official registered Uruguay corp goes by PASWER INTERNATIONAL S.A.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:33:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940176 << was this "fire" presented in any sense ? do you have a packed dump, anything ?
mp_en_viaje: so far the only constructions seems to be "gringos started asking questions about our shitty uptime, let's nullroute their boxes for a day or so and see".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:24:41 BingoBoingo: It seems to depend on how big the incoming crapflood is and how far upstream they have to go to find a sufficiently wide pipe to cut off the crapflood.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/can-you-imagine-what-a-panorama-fartd-be/ << Trilema -- Can you imagine what a Panorama Fart'd be ?!
mp_en_viaje: the problem here'd be that there's only four quarters in each day and with barely thirty days in a month, your uptime comes to... two nines, o rmore precisely 119/120
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940148 << not afaik the case, mircea_popescu never used ssl. though that may be a grandfathering thing, dunno
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 22:28:19 asciilifeform: i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment.
asciilifeform: ftr i did not put this in genesis because naively supposed that ordinary workings of tcp will in fact throw a connection if the pipe were to unplug. but apparently this aint so