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mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.

mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:25:25 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933996 << for all the whining re php, one thing mp-wp most definitely does right is that it separates the article from the mark-up

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933956 <-- I can defo see the productivity advantage of integrated img resizer, but when /me wrote this, he took the opposite philosophical standpoint: text can be written using whatever text editor the user wishes; and uploaded to blog however he wishes. similarly, images can be processed using i

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933944 <-- certainly a lot missing on this side of things

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 13:20:53 asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 <-- ok, will take 'em (and the ones mentioned subsequently) off as soon as I get the free hands.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933705 <-- imho his vtron is worth at least mirroring.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 11:35:45 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933645 << dead as of '16 iirc

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933666 <-- was a great test for feedbot 'reliable failure', tho

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933941 << I don't mind taking this on, though I warn that I will absolutely take longer than asciilifeform would!

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933845 << ah this is perfect, ty! Will use

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/microsoft-invites-stallman/ << Qntra -- Microsoft Invites Stallman

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/black-south-africans-turn-violently-against-other-black-africans-as-migration-raises-tensions/ << Qntra -- Black South Africans Turn Violently Against Other Black Africans As Migration Raises Tensions

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933928 << this is correct. btw lobbes , diana_coman , ( others ? ) -- if no one is presently looking at this, then i'ma do it, the lack of quoted search is grating to asciilifeform also

mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?

deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of bvt from 1 to 2 << knows where things are in the logs! + useful work towards a republican kernel; writes at http://bvt-trace.net

asciilifeform: thinking again today about this , and dug, found in fact that toshiba & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933867 << in usa this is worse than anyone could believe, asciilifeform is ~still~, 2y later, looking for equiv. of those boots, for any price that's less than 'ticket to ro again'. 0 result.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 << congrats , lobbes !! lemme know if you want an unscheduled dump so can sync lines .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 02:13:13 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933821 << you're almost certainly better off with the services of actual tailors , lol. but, outta curiosity, what sort of 'machinery' ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 02:09:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933819 << i know 2 in meatspace ( one -- i taught ; other -- learned from ) but yes there are prolly not so many people still using actual emacs ( vs the 'modernized' horror that auto-downloads 9000 crapolas )

feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Summer's Summary and Next Steps in Eulora

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933778 << not really matters ; they're all ~empty in any practical sense.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933752 << i can see the logic.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933780 << the 'social media / "platform" void'; take any one of 'em, be it twitter, facebook, reddit. They all have the similar mechanic of the "newsfeed" in which (unlike the republic's logs / blogs) you cannot reference things > 3 weeks ago.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933678 << was it this one you were thinking of ?

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/illinois-police-department-child-groomer-arrested-for-child-porn/ << Qntra -- Illinois: Police Department Child Groomer Arrested For Child Porn

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933716 << ignore where ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:03 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933660 << still emacs+exwm, just with init.el of maybe 100-200 lines

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 01:08:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 09:03:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933613 <-- ftr, this is also on my list if trinque doesn't get to it first.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933649 << patch is already in my hopper, just watching the testbot for a day or two longer. still connected btw.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933619 << yep, ren of ren&stimpy fame, from the Space Madness episode

asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09e-tmsr-work-v.html << The Tar Pit -- TMSR work: plan for 2019 M9, and a very brief discussion

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933653 <-- dun dun dun! --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hSKfI/?raw=true

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933628 << exactly why i split the logotron kit into standalone parts.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933645 << dead as of '16 iirc

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933638 << i know how it is used; but imho it is 'naggum's bulldozer'. i.e. solved problems that ought not to occur to begin with

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:36:07 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 << fwis most people do this, 5 to 15 years in.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:02 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933588 << this might work

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933626 << can't think of why it wouldn't work; but you would get tight coupling (i.e. suddenly possible for logger to miss lines if www serv is overwhelmed , or lagging, or otherwise inoperable )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933621 << it isn't impossible, iirc mircea_popescu had a sql oops coupla yrs ago (but i thought was fully restored?)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 00:38:55 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/linux-kernel-genesis-and-early-entropy-users/ << bvt's backtrace -- Linux kernel: genesis and early entropy users

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933610 << bvt i will comment on this when i get a chance to eat it properly

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 01:08:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933613 <-- ftr, this is also on my list if trinque doesn't get to it first.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 <-- I've found emacs useful for exactly one thing over the years: plugging "w3m" browser into it, which aids copy-pasting lines and posting comments on blogs when in terminal. other than that, /me also stopped chasing this particular wild goose about a year ago

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933398 <-- lol, I thought it had went down again when I saw this, got me alarmed there for a moment.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933417 <-- afaik sardinian close as well, possibly even closer. some ppl say romansch also, but I listened to some and only got about 20% of it.

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933393 <-- no headbashing involved, man asked a legit q about ircbot (which still runs some of the bots here) and I answered the best I can

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 00:51:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933611 << trilema uses it plenty ; file's like 50 lines

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 << fwis most people do this, 5 to 15 years in.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933588 << this might work

mircea_popescu: \http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e25cdd47fad095a028165e3b44d5dd85?s=632&d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=X << wtf is this then

feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/to-ohio-and-back-again-a-photo-journey-with-cat-pics/ << lobbesblog -- To Ohio and back again: a photo journey (with cat pics)

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:39:00 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .

feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/linux-kernel-genesis-and-early-entropy-users/ << bvt's backtrace -- Linux kernel: genesis and early entropy users

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933579 << god please no; I want to see gossipd before I'm dead.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933511 << lighttpd and nginx both support life config reloading, not so.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:50:45 BingoBoingo: "You can’t do this. You shouldn’t. If you need .htaccess, you’re probably doing it wrong." << Fuck you

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:14:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933459 << oh yeah, plenty of divergences in the dump formats, "standards process" and everything.

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine. ☝︎

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933440 << as for me, it's just cheaper than zeroing my work and starting over. ☝︎

asciilifeform: previously had c<->pg glue in it .

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:14:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> bung ? lol << You know, like a barrel of fun